Overland Experts part doux

[HeavyMetal]

i think what it comes down to is (based on my completed uneducated opinion on the course, only whats in this thread)

for a professional whos job involves driving off road at remote locales, or just in general, this sort of thing is gold, especially for employers to send their employees to. also applies to the "off road newb" or the sort of experienced wheeler who wants a new refresher on things they may not know or already know. good for survivalists, people who expedition (actual expedition)

for hobbyists like here, they tend to like to "do their own thing" and learn the tricks of the trade via their own trips, just the impression i get

either way i see the value in a service like this, i think it is a cool concept and its a relief to see something like this out there, especially in an area like ours which is generally so against OHV use

i think anything business related in the 4x4 community is a good thing, as it helps drive "the sport"

[crosbike]

i think what it comes down to is (based on my completed uneducated opinion on the course, only whats in this thread)

for a professional whos job involves driving off road at remote locales, or just in general, this sort of thing is gold, especially for employers to send their employees to. also applies to the "off road newb" or the sort of experienced wheeler who wants a new refresher on things they may not know or already know. good for survivalists, people who expedition (actual expedition)

for hobbyists like here, they tend to like to "do their own thing" and learn the tricks of the trade via their own trips, just the impression i get

either way i see the value in a service like this, i think it is a cool concept and its a relief to see something like this out there, especially in an area like ours which is generally so against OHV use

i think anything business related in the 4x4 community is a good thing, as it helps drive "the sport"

agreed. but 1000 bucks can build me an indestructible rear end so I can just throttle out and not have any skill

[WickedXJ]

interesting...

to the OP, how many times have gone wheeling prior to this "training"

not bashing, just think the concept is interesting. I personally like going out in the woods and figuring things out, how to drive, how to fix your jeep ect..... thats half the fun

I have been wheeling and working on my jeep for 3 years now I try to get out at least once a month but usually spend a bare minimum of 15+ hours a week during school breaks. The first day was a bit repetitive until about lunch...then I learned stuff that I have never heard anyone I wheel with talk about. A lot of stuff contrary to what I know like if you want to take your rig anywhere and drive any trail in any part of the world auto lockers and limited slip, ect. actually hinder your performance. I think the biggest thing is that a flexed suspension is bad for traction

[crosbike]

how does flex hurt traction and autolockers are bad. it sounds like if i went there id be butting heads the whole time.

[Customjob]

A lot of stuff contrary to what I know like if you want to take your rig anywhere and drive any trail in any part of the world auto lockers and limited slip, ect. actually hinder your performance. I think the biggest thing is that a flexed suspension is bad for traction

Im gonna have to say this does not apply to ANY trail. For instance I have two broncos. Bronco number one has 33's, 3 inches of lift, open/open, and does not flex; Bronco number two has 35's, 5 1/2 inches of lift, locked/locked, and flexes a lot.

In the same trail, same ditch, Bronco number one has lots of trouble where Bronco number two crawls right through with no problem. Now, Bronco number one drives on the road a lot better than Bronco number two but i wouldn't say that any one vehicle would be the best for ANY trail. A vehicle specifically designed for a certain terrain is going to be better than a vehicle designed for all-around performance.

[HeavyMetal]

Im gonna have to say this does not apply to ANY trail.

Before we jump, I'd be interested to hear the reasoning behind the logic at Overland on that

[WickedXJ]

I'm saying that flex is bad when used. Obviously the more wheel travel the better. But what I am saying is that you need to pick a line that uses the least amount of that travel.

[Customjob]

OK yes this is true. Picking the right line made it possible to get the "no-flex mobile" through the ditch.

So i guess what your saying is that despite the fact that the big bronco can make it through in a different spot, if i went through in the least flexing spot, I would retain the most traction. This I agree with but it seems somewhat simple. A flat road will give more traction than a bumpy road.

I think it just came out wrong by saying "a flexed suspension is bad for traction" because certainly a wheel on the ground has more traction than a wheel in the air.

[OWEN]

My friend was working for Bruce for a while and a couple of my other friends have worked on his rigs, he has some interesting stuff.

I honestly have never met him in person, from what I understand the training there is used for some US Military troops to learn how to handle offroad situations. I am sure some of the training could be used for recreational offroading that most people on this forum enjoy. If is a whole different story when it is your job, your duty, and not a rig that you have built. At least that is my take.

[Zullock Holmes]

Theres a difference between recreational wheeling and having to get up a trail (aka search/rescue, military, etc.)

Anyone can pick the easiest line and walk up it, i'd rather spend a couple serious attempts at a much harder line.

[#DEZERTDAD]

I'm not even going to comment here

[Hydra]

I'm not even going to comment here

lol

[Mike]

I dont see what this course could teach someone that basic common sense couldnt.

[Buffalo Phil]

I dont see what this course could teach someone that basic common sense couldnt.

It could teach just trail safety and how to use recovery equipment and proper trail etiquette. You'd be surprised, common sense isn't so common anymore.

The problem I see is that we are all from the Northeast and we know this specific type of wheeling so we would all sit around and think to ourselves "$1000 for this wheeling or $100 to wheel at RC for the weekend". Seems like a no brainer if you actually own the vehicle.

Things like the overland thing are for city folk who do their white collar jobs during the week and want to escape into the wilderness for a weekend. Maybe I'm being ignorant, but I'm not going to pay $1000 to run RC rated Green Trails all day, someone else can if they want though and I won't stop em.

[WickedXJ]

It could teach just trail safety and how to use recovery equipment and proper trail etiquette. You'd be surprised, common sense isn't so common anymore.

The problem I see is that we are all from the Northeast and we know this specific type of wheeling so we would all sit around and think to ourselves "$1000 for this wheeling or $100 to wheel at RC for the weekend". Seems like a no brainer if you actually own the vehicle.

Things like the overland thing are for city folk who do their white collar jobs during the week and want to escape into the wilderness for a weekend. Maybe I'm being ignorant, but I'm not going to pay $1000 to run RC rated Green Trails all day, someone else can if they want though and I won't stop em.

You can absolutely do this but bear in mind when you snap your winch line because you failed to unspool it to the perfect wrap number or your winching to point that you shouldn't or you are not following the 120 degree rule or you haven't used parachute rigs(something I have never seen used with this club) then you might think it is worth the money.
As for the quip about the training course being easy...what right do you have to comment on the difficulty of a course you have never seen let alone know where it is? The only reason it looks green is because the only time I had to take video was when we were at the easy parts.
As for the money feel free to pay $100 for a weekend at RC...then $100+ for gas...then $50+ for food...then $300+ for broken gear(anyone going out to learn is bound to break something)...and well over $1000 for broken parts and even a totally broken rig...then good luck getting home in your rig that you just spent a weekend beating on while you learned how to wheel.There while learning I spent $30 for the week on gas for my rig to get back and forth. I blew a $700 steering setup in one rig and a $400 tire in another...guess how much more I paid for those $0. Sorry if this is harsh but if you openly admit that you may be ignorant on the subject then just leave it be!