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  • The Locker Thread

    From the factory most 4x4's arent really 4x4's. Only 2 tires have power to them at all times. Those 2 tires will be the tires with the least traction. A Locker is short for Locking Differential. It allows power to be distributed to both wheels on a rearend or front end. A limited slip can also be effective, but in comparison to a locker they suck, so I won't talk about them here.

    What axle should I lock first?

    This is probably the most commonly asked question pertaining to lockers. And alot of Variables come into play here, what is the right answer for someone, may be the wrong answer for another person. Generally speaking a rear locker will get you more places than a front locker, others may disagree with this, but it is what i have found in my experience. First off if you have a weak rear axle for the tire size you are running, (ie dana35 on anything larger than a 31" tire) it probably isnt a good idea to increase the stress on the shafts by adding a locker that that differential. Another soft spot which has many opinions is snow travel. People say autolockers will plow in the snow on the throttle, which is true, but if you know how to drive in the snow it is a non-issue.

    What locker is right for me?

    Well this depends. Much of it is personal preference. I will go through the currently available locker options and you will have to decide for yourself.



    ARB AIR LOCKER:

    This is a normally open air activated selectable locker. You will need an on board air setup to run it, which makes this one of the more expensive options. How it works is, Once you flip a switch on your dash, a quick burst of air is sent to the locker effectively making it a spool. Flip the switch again and you are back to an open differential. This locker replaces the factory carrier and requires air lines to be routed to it.

    DETROIT LOCKER:

    This is the king of autolockers, 100% traction when power is applied, and buttery smooth when going around corners. It is a full case locker meaning it replaces the factory carrier.

    LOCK-RITE LOCKER:

    This is the cheapest of lockers, but that doesn't mean it is bad. Its a simple autolocking type locker, when power is applied power goes to both rear wheels. There are reports of quirky street manners especially in short wheelbased rigs with soft flexy suspension. But everything is a tradeoff. This locker drops into the factory carrier and replaces just the spider gears.

    AUSSIE LOCKER:
    See lock-rite locker. This locker is virtually the same as the lock rite, but with a better warranty.

    OX LOCKER:
    This is a cable actuated selectable locker. comes with a very heavy duty diff cover which houses the shift fork and cable end for actuation. Disengaged it is an open differential for excellent street manners, and engaged it is a spool for 100% traction. You will need to also buy a cable the correct length for your application. This locker replaces the factory carrier. There are also now an air locker option and an electronic option for the ox locker.

    LINCOLN LOCKER:
    Weld yo spider gears and have a spool. do it right and you have cheap traction, do it wrong and you have exploded insides.







    IM POOPED ILL POST MORE LATER
    Last edited by Ktmracer419; 01-30-2009, 09:10 PM.
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  • #2
    theres a lot of good info there, i didnt really know what options there were for lockers and what not. my next logical upgrade would be a winch or some type of locker (most likely rear only). from your post it looks like an ox locker would be the best choice since it is selectable but without the cost of having onboard air. i also looked them up and they have electrical systems too. but the manual system seems the most functional and cheapest. would it be a good route to go for a wrangler instead of an arb or something like that?
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    • #3
      What about Electric lockers?
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      • #4
        Originally posted by bucketokarma View Post
        What about Electric lockers?

        Originally posted by Ktmracer419 View Post
        IM POOPED ILL POST MORE LATER

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        • #5
          post more.

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          • #6
            The Locker Thread
            "Watching you work on your Jeep is like watching a doctor operate on a cadaver...
            It may be good practice, but in the end it won't do much good." -My Mother.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by HitItWithSomeSpeed View Post
              The Locker Thread
              shut up, drunk.

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              • #8
                Here is a full explanation of ARB Air Locker operation with an exploded view for reference. Unit shown is an ARB RD114 14-bolt air locker.



                The air flow is represented by the red arrows.

                When the locker is locked - air pressure is supplied through the seal housing tube to the seal housing (#14). It exits the port in the seal housing but is prevented from escaping by the two seal housing o-rings (#15), located between the seal housing and the seal housing running surface of the carrier. As such, the air pressurizes the cavity between the o-rings, the seal housing, and the seal housing running surface.

                There is a port in the seal housing running surface that directs the air into the differential where it pushes on the clutch gear (#4) that slides on the coarse splined part of the carrier (blue arrow). The clutch gear compresses the return springs (#5), and engages the coarse external splines of the splined side gear (#18).

                The external splines of the side gear cannot be seen ion this picture, but the engagement action is illustrated by the yellow arrows. With the clutch gear simultaneously engaging the side gear (#18) and the carrier (blue arrow), the ARB is now completely, positively locked and will act as a spool.

                When the locker in unlocked - pressure is exhausted through the seal housing and seal housing tube to the atmosphere. The return springs then push on the clutch gear sliding it back against the inside of the carrier (blue arrow), disengaging the splined side gear, and allowing the differential to differentiate again. The ARB will now act as an open differential.
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                • #9
                  ive had the ox and now have a detroit out off the two like the detroit more less to adjust

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                  • #10
                    Detroit Locker pics and exploded views:

                    Exploded view



                    Cut- away of an actual detroit locker



                    close up showing both clutch assemblies engaged with the spider assembly for spool action



                    close up showing one clutch assembly disengaged from spider assembly for open differential action

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                    • #11
                      Aussie Locker Info:

                      Dynamic Locking Principle

                      Unlike some other types of lockers, the "Aussie Locker" has a locking and unlocking principal that is dynamic. Dynamic in that the more power that is applied, the harder it locks so it doesn't need large bias forces operating on it to keep it locked. The bias spring forces are minuscule and can easily be compressed with two fingers. This results in a locker that is able to lock and unlock easily even when driving on extremely slippery surfaces like mud and wet grass. The locking mechanism is so sensitive that a wheel can be disengaged with one finger when a wheel is jacked up, off the ground. The "Aussie Locker" engineering philosophy is based on two sets of opposing forces but simplified over other automatic locker designs. Basically there are two forces acting on the two gear sets.
                      1.One acting to unlock the cam and axle gears by the gear tooth design and effects of the ground driven forces acting on a wheel when cornering
                      2.The other is acting to lock the cam and axle gears due to the camming action of the cross shaft and axle gear due to the 4 dimensional spiral cut cam grove with bearing surfaces under the effects of engine power

                      Depending on the situation, the locker can either uncouple the driving gears i.e. if the differential force is acting on a wheel to turn it faster than the wheel is being driven by the differential and engine, then that side can freely disengage and unlock providing differential action.


                      The"Aussie Locker" has approximately 1/2 the backlash of some other automatic lockers. The design use specialized low profile gear sets (small, wide teeth) which have almost zero backlash when engaged resulting in smoother operation. Any backlash present in the locker occurs between the cross shaft acting in the grove cut in the cam gear. Because the camming operation is smooth and progressive, rather than sharp and abrupt, it results in well mannered handling characteristics over other automatic lockers.


                      Load transfer and strength

                      The "Aussie Locker" design uses a large number of very low profile teeth which collectively do all the ramping and the driving. Engine power is transferred through the flats of all 20 teeth at the same time rather than the original standard differential which has only 2 or 4 teeth driving at a time with all the force being transmitted between two points on the curved surface of the pinion and side gear teeth. The "Aussie Locker" Has 2-5 times greater surface area over which to transfer the engine power. This means that the "Aussie Locker" can handle engine power often found in modified off road vehicles. The design of the locker result in the gears being locked when driving vs. the slipping and sliding that occurs when traditional spider and side gears turn and mesh.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Hawky Clause View Post
                        shut up, drunk.
                        Hey! Im not...


                        ok, fuck you.
                        "Watching you work on your Jeep is like watching a doctor operate on a cadaver...
                        It may be good practice, but in the end it won't do much good." -My Mother.

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                        • #13
                          E-locker:

                          Pin-type E-locker



                          Collar-type E-locker



                          The Eaton ELocker™ differential is a new age electro-mechanical product from Eaton Corporation. When the switch is activated, electric current is supplied to a powerful electromagnet. As the electromagnet is energized, a torque is created on a drag-plate that activates a ramping mechanism. The ramping mechanism, in turn, translates rotational force into the axial motion of a locking mechanism. The locking mechanism engages into slots or tabs on the differential side gear and locks the side gear rotation to the differential housing. The result is on-demand traction and a fully locked differential.

                          Once the obstacle is overcome and the Eaton ELocker™ differential is deactivated through the switch, a series of returnsprings promptly force the locking mechanism to disengage and the Eaton ELocker™ differential again operates as an “open” differential.

                          The following information details a few tech tips to ensure long life for your Eaton ELocker™ differential with proper installation and maintenance:

                          1. Side-bearing pre-load is extremely critical and must be set to the specifications of the vehicle’s original equipment manufacturer.

                          2. Ring gear backlash is also performance critical and must be set to the specifications of the vehicle’s original equipment manufacturer. Failure to properly set gear backlash can result in a poor ring and pinion contact pattern, and undesirable noise is likely.

                          3. If installing a new ring and pinion with your Eaton ELocker™ differential, proper break-in will help extend performance life. Avoid wide-open throttle starts for the first 50 miles. Avoid trailer towing for the first 500 miles. Once a gear set pattern has been established (typically within 100 miles) corrections will not be effective.
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                          • #14
                            (ie dana35 on anything larger than a 31" tire) it probably isnt a good idea to increase the stress on the shafts by adding a locker that that differential.

                            Also- Thanks for the thread- Helpful!
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