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  • Jeep is still vibrating/grinding. I dont know anything else to check.

    My Jeep has been gridnding/vibrating for like the past month and a half now, it still drives "ok" and i have put prolly 2000 miles on it like this but it is driving me crazy. I have tried just about everything I can think of and I still cant find the problem. For the record I am running a stock 2001 slip yoke/driveshaft on about 3.5 inches of lift, NP231 t-case and an Aussie locked 8.25.


    Problem:
    If you are on the gas any significant amount over ~55 it vibrates really bad, like it feels like you have a massaging seat. If you are coasting at any speed over ~30 it doesn't vibrate but it makes a somewhat loud clinking/grinding sound. If anyone has heard a really bad driveshaft slip-joint it sounds exactly like that.

    This started right after I did my gears, however I'm pretty sure it isn't directly related, there is no sign of abnormal wear on the gears or my aussie locker and I have changed the fluid twice since the break in period and there is no excessive metal shavings or anything out of the ordinary in there.

    At the same time as the gears however I also messed around with the leaf pack giving it an additional inch perhaps of lift in the rear and removed the shims that were in there. The removal of the shims brought the pinion down from pointing well over the angle it needed to be (pointing way too high since lift shackle install) to pointing directly at the T-case. At first I thought it was the incorrect pinion angle causing this so I threw a 2 degree shim in there. It made the angle much better, it is still maybe ~2 degrees too shallow but it made absolutely zero difference with regard to the problem.

    I changed the t-case fluid this morning, no metal shavings or anything out of the ordinary. The case also shifts fine and behaves normally in 4wd. The rear output yoke has absolutely zero play, the front has maybe a 16th of a turn which is supposedly normal, the rear axle yoke has about this much as well but it is normal with a locker.

    The front driveshaft was totally rebuilt about 6 monthes ago, I even did the centering ball. The front slip joint doesn't have any play.

    I jacked the rear end up and ran it at about 55, it sounds like the sound is coming from the t-case or the driveshaft, pretty sure it isnt higher or lower on the driveline. While driving it sounds and feels like it is coming from right under the passenger seat.

    So Basically

    Stuff i've checked:


    U-joint's
    Axle gears
    Stretched t-case chain
    nothing obviously wrong with the t-case
    anything dumb like loose u-bolts
    Pinion angle (pretty sure)
    Front driveshaft


    Anyone have any more ideas short of throwing parts at it or taking the t-case completely apart to check for some funky ass internal problem? I cant think of anything more to even look at. Gonna talk to my driveline teacher at school tomorrow too and see if he has any input.
    Last edited by iant333; 09-02-2010, 06:17 PM.
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  • #2
    get an SYE

    97 TJ that I think is pretty neat.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by CumminsJeep View Post
      get an SYE
      I kinda want to know what the problem is not just throw parts at it. But that's what i'm doing if I cant figure it out.
      01 XJ 3" on 33's and some new paint n stuff. Gone.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by CumminsJeep View Post
        get an SYE
        Xonehundredfortyfivemillionsevenhundredandeleventy

        my tcase is about to explode from the stock driveshaft and its only 3.5" lift. the 97+ have no tail cone on the tcase (stupid) and are known for creating problems at much lower heights than every other year
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        • #5
          I guess i'll try this and see if that works, just the grinding is what throws me off, i've never heard of that being an issue with the stock slip yoke.

          What SYE's will bolt up to a front shaft, just any old one made to run with a double cardan?
          01 XJ 3" on 33's and some new paint n stuff. Gone.

          1989 Jeep Comanche, sold to HeavyMetal

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          • #6
            iirc, all the complete kits (not the hack and tap ones) will bolt up with a front shaft, just make sure you get the correct kit because they are not interchangeable between tcases
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            • #7
              i wasnt saying that as a "throw parts in and see what happens" approach. I think that is a perfect place to start with your problem and a very very good upgrade anyway.

              97 TJ that I think is pretty neat.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by CumminsJeep View Post
                i wasnt saying that as a "throw parts in and see what happens" approach. I think that is a perfect place to start with your problem and a very very good upgrade anyway.
                This. Mine makes similar noises when coasting (only when coasting though) and it's the t-case. The very next modification to be done (once my money tree finishes growing and my insurance, registration, and town taxes are paid) is an SYE.
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                • #9
                  Yeah, just bought a PORC SYE and front shaft off ebay. I guess i'll find out if that fixes it next week.

                  Thanks.
                  01 XJ 3" on 33's and some new paint n stuff. Gone.

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                  • #10
                    Try the SYE it sounds like a very unhappy pinion angle. Mine kinda does the same thing but its barely noticeable and I`ve been at 4.5" for over a year
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                    • #11
                      the sye will fix it.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by iant333 View Post
                        Yeah, just bought a PORC SYE and front shaft off ebay. I guess i'll find out if that fixes it next week.

                        Thanks.
                        Is it a drive line drive shaft vibration or something else?
                        Try removing the drive shaft and seeing if it goes away.

                        Drive shaft angles are important, not hard to understand but CV vs NonCV use completely different pinion angles.
                        http://www.4xshaft.com/index.html



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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by customcreationsllc View Post
                          Is it a drive line drive shaft vibration or something else?
                          Try removing the drive shaft and seeing if it goes away.

                          Drive shaft angles are important, not hard to understand but CV vs NonCV use completely different pinion angles.
                          http://www.4xshaft.com/index.html
                          I did, the vibration went away. The jingling I wasnt sure about.
                          01 XJ 3" on 33's and some new paint n stuff. Gone.

                          1989 Jeep Comanche, sold to HeavyMetal

                          2000 Subaru Impreza RS. Built WRX motor and coilovers and stuff.

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                          • #14
                            ok. I have a driveline vibration as well. and you cant just say what it is by taking the rear driveshaft out. I took mine out, test drove and it was perfect... SO I replaced u-joints every one, and test drove again and vibration is still there. SO, I was on the highway (55-60) put it in 4x4 and the vibration went away, (this is with both driveshafts in) And if im accelleration or steady on gas, there is no vibration. But if you let off the gas so theres no force on the driveline, the vibration comes back.... I checked everything in my driveline and i cant fine whats wrong. new front hub bearings, t case drop, front to rear i couldnt find a problem. Any help?

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                            • #15
                              I think its time for an SYE....

                              97 TJ that I think is pretty neat.

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