Overland Experts part doux

[LittleD]

As many people have stated earlier in this thread, everyone has their way of learning, some people would rather be taught and not have to learn the hard way, and some like to figure things out on their own. I have nothing against spending money to have a few experienced people show you what not to do/what to do, i just think alot of people learn more and get more out of it when they have to fix what they broke. The fun of wheeling is trying things you wouldn't normally try to one up a friend or someone else. And i think in order to really understand how much stress each part has to handle, you have to push it to where you're confident your shit can handle it. I would rather spend less and learn more tricks and make more friends when i need helping wrench on the trail. Im pretty sure everybody here has wheeled in a place not meant to be wheeled, and learn a shit load just from the experience of another wheeler.

[HeavyMetal]

you haven't used parachute rigs(something I have never seen used with this club)

How many official wheeling runs (or runs at all) have you been on with this club? just curious..

FWIW, i dont think Phil is making any "quips", people are replying to this thread based on the (limited) info you have given/shown, cant expect much more than that.

[Buffalo Phil]

You can absolutely do this but bear in mind when you snap your winch line because you failed to unspool it to the perfect wrap number or your winching to point that you shouldn't or you are not following the 120 degree rule or you haven't used parachute rigs(something I have never seen used with this club) then you might think it is worth the money.
As for the quip about the training course being easy...what right do you have to comment on the difficulty of a course you have never seen let alone know where it is? The only reason it looks green is because the only time I had to take video was when we were at the easy parts.
As for the money feel free to pay $100 for a weekend at RC...then $100+ for gas...then $50+ for food...then $300+ for broken gear(anyone going out to learn is bound to break something)...and well over $1000 for broken parts and even a totally broken rig...then good luck getting home in your rig that you just spent a weekend beating on while you learned how to wheel.There while learning I spent $30 for the week on gas for my rig to get back and forth. I blew a $700 steering setup in one rig and a $400 tire in another...guess how much more I paid for those $0. Sorry if this is harsh but if you openly admit that you may be ignorant on the subject then just leave it be!

You must work for them or something. I give up, Tell me.

You still have yet to convince me why my money is better spent in Training than it is in the real world when I've been wheeling for a mere five years now. I'm ignorant on the subject yet you fail to educate me.

Oh, and if you want a 'quip', here is one: It's 'Deux', not 'Doux'. Want to feel educated and important? Use Google.com next time when trying to say a number in another language.

[Krazors001]

I'm just curious to see if this course has inspired you to lower your rig down?

[Zullock Holmes]

you're in my wheeling group at OER kid. might wanna invest in some lockers.

[Ruepart Hoaxley]

There's the "proper" way to do stuff, then there's the effective way.

[Buffalo Phil]

you're in my wheeling group at OER kid. might wanna invest in some lockers.

Nah, he'll just put his swaybars back on and it'll be like...the same thing...

[Ruepart Hoaxley]

I'm saying that flex is bad when used. Obviously the more wheel travel the better. But what I am saying is that you need to pick a line that uses the least amount of that travel.

...This I don't get.

[HeavyMetal]

...This I don't get.

Pick a line that keeps your tires planted more so.

Basically it equates to taking an easier line. I think the confusion here is:

This course teaches you to navigate terrain in the most efficient proper manner, versus the typical goal of enthusiasts, like most of us, which would be recreational...aka picking a hard line, pushing the rig, maybe taking the least "desirable" line for the most challenge or "shock value" lol.

Someone who hits up the trails at RC recreationally during the year as their "kicks" is going to have a different style and approach versus someone who does expedition stuff. AKA getting from point A to point B, versus hitting a trail off the access road.

[Ruepart Hoaxley]

Pick a line that keeps your tires planted more so.

Basically it equates to taking an easier line. I think the confusion here is:

This course teaches you to navigate terrain in the most efficient proper manner, versus the typical goal of enthusiasts, like most of us, which would be recreational...aka picking a hard line, pushing the rig, maybe taking the least "desirable" line for the most challenge or "shock value" lol.

Someone who hits up the trails at RC recreationally during the year as their "kicks" is going to have a different style and approach versus someone who does expedition stuff. AKA getting from point A to point B, versus hitting a trail off the access road.

Right, that I understand, but that's a pretty blanket statement about suspension.

[HeavyMetal]

Right, that I understand, but that's a pretty blanket statement about suspension.

I agree.

I think it is safe to say a bunch of the class doesnt apply to recreational wheeling in the traditional sense, but it probably isnt meant to anyway

[Ruepart Hoaxley]

Learning how to light a firework does not a grenadier make.

[CumminsJeep]

Pick a line that keeps your tires planted more so.

Basically it equates to taking an easier line. I think the confusion here is:

This course teaches you to navigate terrain in the most efficient proper manner, versus the typical goal of enthusiasts, like most of us, which would be recreational...aka picking a hard line, pushing the rig, maybe taking the least "desirable" line for the most challenge or "shock value" lol.

Someone who hits up the trails at RC recreationally during the year as their "kicks" is going to have a different style and approach versus someone who does expedition stuff. AKA getting from point A to point B, versus hitting a trail off the access road.

This is exactly what I would say about it too. From what I saw with this course (by the way you described it, WickedXJ) it seems like a good course...for someone who wants to take it the easy way. What people are trying to say is that our club (and most people who wheel RC or do any type of rockcrawling) build their rigs to navigate terrain that an open/open land rover wont even dream of doing. I remember Steve trying to take his defender 90 up yellowjacket and had to winch. Meanwhile, the rigs on 33s and one locker were able to get up. It seems that the purpose of this place is to teach people about safety and different techniques in order to get a rig through the woods without breaking and noone hurt. Look, noone likes to break, but we wheel our shit. breakage happens. We wheel our stuff on terrain/rocks/etc like RC because we do it as a hobby. we are enthusiasts. We build our rigs to be able to lift tires and still make forward progress. There is a reason rock crawlers are built the way they are.

Im not bashing the place by any means. I think it is an awesome place for someone to get into 4 wheeling and learn basic techniques. do the guys know what they are talking about? of course they do. but to tell us that we dont really know anything and that we are automatically going to break shit because we didnt pay 1000 dollars for a course is just dumb. Most of us here have wheeled, a lot, and I dont mean nice green trails through the woods. We know proper techniques, and we know how to not break. Im not trying to be an asshole, I just think that the way you approached this and responded to some posts just wasnt right.

[HitItWithSomeSpeed]

Learning how to light a firework does not a grenadier make.

thats because youre obviously playing with bitch fireworks...

[WickedXJ]

This is exactly what I would say about it too. From what I saw with this course (by the way you described it, WickedXJ) it seems like a good course...for someone who wants to take it the easy way. What people are trying to say is that our club (and most people who wheel RC or do any type of rockcrawling) build their rigs to navigate terrain that an open/open land rover wont even dream of doing. I remember Steve trying to take his defender 90 up yellowjacket and had to winch. Meanwhile, the rigs on 33s and one locker were able to get up. It seems that the purpose of this place is to teach people about safety and different techniques in order to get a rig through the woods without breaking and noone hurt. Look, noone likes to break, but we wheel our shit. breakage happens. We wheel our stuff on terrain/rocks/etc like RC because we do it as a hobby. we are enthusiasts. We build our rigs to be able to lift tires and still make forward progress. There is a reason rock crawlers are built the way they are.

Im not bashing the place by any means. I think it is an awesome place for someone to get into 4 wheeling and learn basic techniques. do the guys know what they are talking about? of course they do. but to tell us that we dont really know anything and that we are automatically going to break shit because we didnt pay 1000 dollars for a course is just dumb. Most of us here have wheeled, a lot, and I dont mean nice green trails through the woods. We know proper techniques, and we know how to not break. Im not trying to be an asshole, I just think that the way you approached this and responded to some posts just wasnt right.

I appreciate the fact that you as well as Will come off level-headed in your posts and express your views in a relatively purely logical and not derogatory way. I admit that I could have worded some things better. I wheel my rig(when it is at least 50% road-worthy) at least twice a week if not more, this started about 3 years ago. I have been on some wheeling runs with a few people that I have met through this site and they have all cool people. I was interested in this course to make my off-road driving safer and to give me more confidence to attempt very hard obstacles without as much worry of the worst case scenario. I also have had plenty of recovery experience and many people teach me their way of doing it but now that I see the professional way to do it I see how dangerous recovery methods can be. I also have seen it happen many times where drivers panic in situations that they have been in before but do the wrong thing and damage their rigs and even themselves. I know that I will have the trainer's voice in my head every time I get into an iffy situation and feel confident in getting o0ut with minimal to no damage.
As for this question

I'm just curious to see if this course has inspired you to lower your rig down?

It never gets old. I get asked this literally eveywhere; but no...I like it the way it is. Better tires and a better rear axle will go on but other than that I am happy with the capability and durability of my rig.

you're in my wheeling group at OER kid. might wanna invest in some lockers.

I would be happy to join your group if I can make the trip this year.