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  • Moral debate. How much is worth shooting over?

    I am all for criminals paying their dues for their crimes, but I dont know how I feel about someone, albeit a blatant criminal, being shot and killed over a 12 pack of booze.

    I take that back...I definitely dont think that is worth killing, or dying, over.



    Police: Clerk shoots and kills man trying to steal beer

    By Jeremy Schwartz | Monday, August 17, 2009, 01:37 PM

    A clerk at a Ben White Boulevard convenience store shot and killed a man who officials say was stealing a 12-pack of Budweiser early Sunday morning, Austin police said Monday.
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    Jorge Luis Vielma, 22, and another man were on a “beer run,” according to police, and attempting to flee after stealing the beer. Police say Juan Romero, 23, pictured at right, a clerk at the Shell gasoline station at 525 W. Ben White Blvd., fired multiple shots at Vielma outside the store as he ran for his waiting vehicle.

    Vielma later died inside the vehicle and was found shortly after 1 a.m Sunday in the 1000 block of Mansell Avenue, which is near U.S. 183 and Airport Boulevard. Romero was charged with murder and is being held at the Travis County Jail. His bail has been set at $250,000.

    According to Sgt. Joseph Chacon, while Texas law allows residents to take reasonable measures to defend their property, officials determined that “at least on the face of it,” the shooting was not reasonable.

    Chacon would not say where Vielma was shot, but said that the shooting occurred as he was fleeing and that police do not believe Vielma was armed. “Ultimately it will be decided by a jury or grand jury whether it was reasonable,” Chacon said.
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  • #2
    not worth it. it's doubtful that anything you can find in a store is worth shooting a person over.
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    • #3
      well, i think more facts are needed. if the guy was waving a gun around, or was firing said gun then i say it legit to shoot at him.

      There is a guy in NYC who owns a furniture store and a couple years ago he killed 2 and injured 1 guy trying to come in and rob the place. they had weapons and so he was allowed to walk.

      more info needed

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      • #4
        they said they believe the kid wasn't armed. seems like they were just kids goofing off and stealing beer, doubtful they had weapons
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        • #5
          well they shouldn't have been stealing

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Vehicleless View Post
            well they shouldn't have been stealing
            True. However, if he was running away, that implies the clerk shot him in the back.

            Armed or not, no bueno.
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            • #7
              Why didn't they go to the Hospital? If the kid got shot, what the fuck were they doing driving around? Some asshole buddy that guy is. Leave him dead in the vehicle, fuck the ER! Even if the kid is dead, go to the hospital.

              That right there makes me suspicious of something. I mean, I'm all for playing stupid games and winning stupid prizes, but what if the kid who got shot could have been saved? I don't get it. The Moral dilemma to me should be 'If your friend got shot, would you take him to the hospital or not". Clearly that guy didn't.
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              • #8
                wait a minute. a mexican guy in texas shot another mexican guy. what are the chances of citizenship there?
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                • #9
                  Shoot to kill, but only if the option to chop a hand off is no longer available.
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                  • #10
                    Regardless of what he stole, the store owner will be sent to prison for murder. They were in the process of fleeing, and he shot them in the back.

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                    • #11
                      you match force with force.


                      Grabbing a 12 pack and running, is no reason to open fire.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Buffalo Phil View Post
                        Why didn't they go to the Hospital? If the kid got shot, what the fuck were they doing driving around? Some asshole buddy that guy is. Leave him dead in the vehicle, fuck the ER! Even if the kid is dead, go to the hospital.

                        That right there makes me suspicious of something. I mean, I'm all for playing stupid games and winning stupid prizes, but what if the kid who got shot could have been saved? I don't get it. The Moral dilemma to me should be 'If your friend got shot, would you take him to the hospital or not". Clearly that guy didn't.
                        he was probably illegal, and i'm glad i don't have to aid in paying his obamacare ass ER bill.

                        Hopefully this other jackwagon gets the chair and its a simple solution to these kinds of problems.
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                        • #13
                          Unlawful use of a firearm, honestly anyone with a brain should realize that the worse thing you can do when dealing with a thief, is pull a gun.

                          What if the thief had been armed and killed the clerk.

                          Either way the clerk will go to prison for murder and rightfully so, tax dollars get spent on police for a reason
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                          • #14
                            maybe for a 12 pack....
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                            • #15
                              If the thief wasn't armed how is it justified he was shot? This is how we get more gun laws.....fucking retards.

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