The HeavyMetal Project

[crosbike]

they sell high impact oil filled UMHW i kinda want to just get some cuz it sounds so badass haha. Very interested in how the sliders work out for you.

[SupermanIce-J]

I dont see how it would be an advantage... it seems like it would be rather rough in the whoops when it hits the back stop. and noisy

[Buffalo Phil]

I dont see how it would be an advantage... it seems like it would be rather rough in the whoops when it hits the back stop. and noisy

I was thinking the same, but we shall find out.

[HeavyMetal]

I dont see how it would be an advantage... it seems like it would be rather rough in the whoops when it hits the back stop. and noisy

what would make it rough? the spring is still a spring, the only thing missing from the equation is a 2nd bushing on the shackle

whats the physical difference between a shackle running out of movement/bottoming and the slider doing the same?

[Burton58]

i think the question is - how often would an xj shackle bottom out vs how much travel is in the slider. if it's long enough there shouldn't be an issue

[HeavyMetal]

i think the question is - how often would an xj shackle bottom out vs how much travel is in the slider. if it's long enough there shouldn't be an issue

"travel" in a slider doesnt determine suspension travel...that would make some sense if it was a link arm or rigid connection

the motion in the slider is linear, as opposed to levered in a shackle, they both do the same thing

[Zullock Holmes]

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[Buffalo Phil]

"travel" in a slider doesnt determine suspension travel...that would make some sense if it was a link arm or rigid connection

the motion in the slider is linear, as opposed to levered in a shackle, they both do the same thing

See, I'm ignorant on this topic, but I assumed that when the vehicle was at ride height, the bolt inside the slider would be all the way to the rear, against the slider stop, obviously, and when weight is taken off of the vehicle such as flex or in a 3 feet of air situation, the slider slides to the front.

From what I am understanding from Josh's post is that when the vehicle gets off the ground and comes back down, the sliding bolt returning to it's ride height location would cause the roughness, but I think your shocks would absorb that, instead, you would get a loud noise.

[Burton58]

what i mean is the leaf spring has to flex upwards which pushes the rear eye outward. therefor as long as the slider is long enough and set up in the right location you shouldn't bottom out on it right?

[HeavyMetal]

See, I'm ignorant on this topic, but I assumed that when the vehicle was at ride height, the bolt inside the slider would be all the way to the rear, against the slider stop, obviously, and when weight is taken off of the vehicle such as flex or in a 3 feet of air situation, the slider slides to the front.

From what I am understanding from Josh's post is that when the vehicle gets off the ground and comes back down, the sliding bolt returning to it's ride height location would cause the roughness, but I think your shocks would absorb that, instead, you would get a loud noise.

The slider doesnt sit maxed out at ride height. The bolt "floats" in the slider, and as the spring flattens out on compression it lengthens, pushing the bolt backwards in the same way it would lever a shackle backwards...the slider rail is situated on an angle. For it to constantly "bottom out" the spring would have to flatten enough to "reach" the end of the slider slot, otherwise the axle is located in position via the ubolts and front end of the leaf

[HeavyMetal]

what i mean is the leaf spring has to flex upwards which pushes the rear eye outward. therefor as long as the slider is long enough and set up in the right location you shouldn't bottom out on it right?

what youre saying is right

[Buffalo Phil]

The slider doesnt sit maxed out at ride height. The bolt "floats" in the slider, and as the spring flattens out on compression it lengthens, pushing the bolt backwards in the same way it would lever a shackle backwards...the slider rail is situated on an angle. For it to constantly "bottom out" the spring would have to flatten enough to "reach" the end of the slider slot, otherwise the axle is located in position via the ubolts and front end of the leaf

Gotcha. Makes perfect sense.

[SupermanIce-J]

See, I'm ignorant on this topic, but I assumed that when the vehicle was at ride height, the bolt inside the slider would be all the way to the rear, against the slider stop, obviously, and when weight is taken off of the vehicle such as flex or in a 3 feet of air situation, the slider slides to the front.

From what I am understanding from Josh's post is that when the vehicle gets off the ground and comes back down, the sliding bolt returning to it's ride height location would cause the roughness, but I think your shocks would absorb that, instead, you would get a loud noise.

YUP.... at ride hieght they sit on the stops IIRC. the spring still does its job but the shackle gives the spring rearward movement where as the slider box on compression will be at the stop... therefore a rougher ride. a shackle will hit on alotta compression in the rear bulkhead but that is what bumps are for... With you could adjust your bumps to take some of the firmness out with at slider but in the end you will still have a firm ride (ever ride on the bumps it sux.)

But prove me wrong. This is the way it is going through my head...

[Burton58]

thats what i thought. i wasn't really comparing shackles vs sliders, just that if both are setup correctly they don't bottom out. though do xj shackles bottom out often? i've never really noticed

[SupermanIce-J]

Well then just read the response... kewl. I am not a fan (for what you plan on doing with your jeep ie. all around good ridin jeep. now if it was a straight crawler or oval car...) as of right now... but i will keep my mind open before i open my mouth more.