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[Magilla]

I fell in love with Phils 1911 when we went shooting. It is hard for me to find a gun that is comfortable for me. I have watched him disassemble one and it was simple something i would never try with my glock. They should never change it's fundamental design because its simple and it fucking works every time

[Buffalo Phil]

I agree that the 1911 is definitely a masterpiece because the design is now over 100 years old and and still one of the most common handguns around. Myself and many others agree however that other have improved upon it a bit in those 100 years.


As for the AR's I have a 10 and a 15, they are amazing.

But even then I still disagree. The only improvements to the 1911 that make any sense is a higher capacity magazine in a smaller package. The triggers have gotten worse, the part count has climbed and for what? Nothing outside of capacity, which is easy to overcome as well.

You can do a Trigger job on a 1911 and get a sweet crisp 3 pound trigger that's cleaner than a baby's ass, you can do an action job on a 1911 and have it shoot fist sized groups at 25 yards or more and you can buy your own frame and slide and custom parts and build you own 1911.

HK and Glock just make a pistol that works, and you'll get better customer support from your own fecal matter than you would HK.

I can spend all day preaching the good word of the 1911 because of it's history and simplicity and reliability because I've worked with these pistols before and I keep coming back to the 1911.

[iant333]

What the hell do you use a MK23 for outside of storming an Oil rig via fast rope in the bering strait?

Shooting at targets. My dad hunts deer with it sometimes. Its uh... really big but I still like it.

[iant333]

That's what I thought.

I do not fail to see the importance in being able to take every single part out of a firearm and when you do that once day, you'll realize many important things about firearms in General.

Some guns are Built to simply work and their design is a frugal dance around patent laws, while others are innovative, simple and masterpieces of engineering.

The Glock and HK are designed to work, the 1911 is John Moses Browning's Masterpiece.

I, too, am a Rifle shooter, but I've come to realized that AR15s and Marlin leveractions are the only rifles I may ever own (with the exception of a Remington 700) because of their brilliant design, ease of maintenance and that fact that a Marlin can be completely disassembled in a moment's time and an AR15 can be field stripped and have it's bolt completely disassembled with nothing more than a .223 Cartridge.

I agree that the 1911 is definitely a masterpiece because the design is now over 100 years old and and still one of the most common handguns around. Myself and many others agree however that other have improved upon it a bit in those 100 years.


As for the AR's I have a 10 and a 15, they are amazing.

[Buffalo Phil]

What the hell do you use a MK23 for outside of storming an Oil rig via fast rope in the bering strait?

Because Rainbow Leader forgot to give you an MP5.

[HeavyMetal]

What the hell do you use a MK23 for outside of storming an Oil rig via fast rope in the bering strait?

[Buffalo Phil]

I know its a USP but its the same thing.





One doesnt strike me as vastly more complex than another.

Because you have no idea what you are looking at.

[iant333]

I know its a USP but its the same thing.





One doesnt strike me as vastly more complex than another.

[Buffalo Phil]

Mostly field stripping it, but I took it most of the way apart once just out of curiosity. They both field strip as easily, and I was referring more to that anyways. I have handguns in my family that are over 20 years old and have never needed to be taken apart past a good field stripping and cleaning so I fail to see why its even important.

That's what I thought.

I do not fail to see the importance in being able to take every single part out of a firearm and when you do that once day, you'll realize many important things about firearms in General.

Some guns are Built to simply work and their design is a frugal dance around patent laws, while others are innovative, simple and masterpieces of engineering.

The Glock and HK are designed to work, the 1911 is John Moses Browning's Masterpiece.

I, too, am a Rifle shooter, but I've come to realized that AR15s and Marlin leveractions are the only rifles I may ever own (with the exception of a Remington 700) because of their brilliant design, ease of maintenance and that fact that a Marlin can be completely disassembled in a moment's time and an AR15 can be field stripped and have it's bolt completely disassembled with nothing more than a .223 Cartridge.

[iant333]

Take the slide off 'Take Apart' or do a detail strip and count every spring and plunger?

Mostly field stripping it, but I took it most of the way apart once just out of curiosity. They both field strip as easily, and I was referring more to that anyways. I have handguns in my family that are over 20 years old and have never needed to be taken apart past a good field stripping and cleaning so I fail to see why its even important.

[treadlightly5337]

i like the k bar. but buy a fricken gun, will ya

[Magilla]

My airlites simple to take a part all of 7 moving parts

[Buffalo Phil]

I've taken the H&K apart dozens of times. I watched someone take a 1911 apart once. Neither was that bad.

Take the slide off 'Take Apart' or do a detail strip and count every spring and plunger?

[Magilla]

[iant333]

Buy better magazines. My 1911 holds 11 rounds.

Get a double stacked 1911, have it hold 15 rounds.

If you think an HK is 'not much more complicated than a 1911', then I can obviously tell you've never taken either one apart.

I've taken the H&K apart dozens of times. I watched someone take a 1911 apart once. Neither was that bad. Want to see a picture of it taken apart, not that many parts.

And sorry for creating a tangent to your knife thread, but this is interesting too.