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  • #31
    I steal credit cards for a living

    My suggestion:

    Step 1: Get a credit card to use whenever you would normally use a debit card. Ideally this card should have cashback, and make sure that they start charging interest when the payment is due instead of when you make the charge (they're rare but they do exist).

    Step 2: Go to your bank and tell them that you just want an ATM card without debit. They will look at you like you're from Mars and ask you why but be persistent and tell them it's for fraud prevention. You will then receive a new card without the Visa or Mastercard logo that can only be used at an ATM.

    Step 3: Pay off your credit-in-lieu-of-debit card on time every month without fail. If you have some big charge that you plan to pay off over a few months put it on a different card (or put it on this card and immediately transfer it to another card in one of those 0% transfer deals and then pay it off before you get whacked with back-interest).

    Why would you want to do this? 4 reasons:

    1: If you hand somebody a debit card and say "credit" when they ask you (or the guy who stole/cloned your card) will be able to sign for it as if it were a credit card, thus bypassing the security provided by the PIN. It's a bit like locking the windows and leaving the door open.

    2: When you use a credit card you're entering into a contract to repay that money. If somebody forges your signature you never entered into the contract. You just dispute the charge and it disappears as if it never happened. The bank then has to figure our who stole their money and if they can't it's their loss. By law you are not liable for any more than $50 on a card and in practice most banks won't hold you liable for anything.

    3: When you use a debit card and punch in a PIN instead of using a signature you are not entering into a contract so it's your money going to the merchant (as opposed to the bank's money when it's a credit card), and the guy who cloned your card is bypassing a security system. The legal liability issues are a lot more fuzzy about this sort of thing. In practice most banks still won't hold you liable for anything but you're still stuck waiting for them to put the money back in your account.

    4: You'll actually save some cash doing it this way. As long as you pay the credit card off without fail every month you will never be charged interest or annual fees. The money sitting in your savings account will be collecting interest between when you "spent" it on the card and when you actually have to pay the bill, if you spend a lot every month this can add up. If you get a credit card with some good cash-back rewards you'll be saving even more.
    Last edited by Paco Lopez; 02-17-2010, 03:40 PM.

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    • #32
      For more practical advice, next time you're out and about look at different types of card readers. You'll see some readers where you dip your card (usually on gas pumps) and some where it actually sucks the card in and holds it (usually on ATMs). If you see one that looks like a dip but actually sucks the whole card in and holds it you've been had. The one that looks like a dip is a skimmer installed by a scammer. If you see one of these on an ATM you'll usually be able to find a small concealed camera nearby aimed at the PIN pad.

      One of my favorites is a bunch of guys who installed a skimmer on the door of a bank after-hours. People are used to swiping their card to get buzzed into the ATM lobby after-hours so they would walk up and swipe their card. When it didn't work they would either give up or find the real slot and assume the other one was old and/or broken. The bad guys would then return to retrieve the skimmer before the bank opened in the morning. It doesn't get you the PIN, but you don't need the pin because most ATM cards are debit cards, and most debit cards can be used as credit cards with a signature instead of a PIN.

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      • #33
        And as far as keeping your card safe online, don't bother. Everyone has atrocious security. The credit card companies have issued a bunch of security requirements but many merchants consider it too expensive to implement so they just ignore it. When somebody commits fraud it's the bank who gets stuck with the bill so the merchants have no financial motivation to put any security in place.

        As long as you're using a credit card online instead of a debit card it's not your problem when it gets stolen anyways.

        If you are really paranoid you can get cards that come pre-loaded with a certain amount of money. They're like throwaway single-use debit cards. You can use them online by going to a website where you punch in a name and address to associate with the card that you will then use as the billing address when you make your online purchase. These are also great because you can pick them up in many quickie-marts (look near the pay-as-you-go no-contract cell phones) so as long as you pay cash and wear a disguise for the cameras you can be almost completely anonymous. Ever wanted to sign a friend/enemy/stranger up for subversive/pornographic/offensive material and call to taunt him afterwards but figured he would be angry and trace it back to you? Well now you can.

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