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[Buffalo Phil]

Phil do you know the laws on silencers? I've seen a few different threaded barrels for the glock, which might allow me to shoot on the property behind my house that I otherwise could not use due to the noise.

Yup.

I do not know the EXACT procedure, but if I recall, you have to call the ATF and get a silencer form, pay a $200 tax stamp and submit the paperwork. You'll get some paperwork back that allows you to purchase ONE silencer and then you must register it with the ATF. Don't hold me to it though, I saved some money on a silencer are just got a few boxes of .22 CB longs.

Each silencer has its own serial number, which is actually pretty good, mainly because if you get a .22 silencer, you can move it from gun to gun and not get in trouble. The gun with the silencer isn't registered, just the silencer itself.

[Bigbike]

This thread really makes me want to be 21.

[Adam]

Interesting. I wonder how much trouble I'd get in if I just ordered one and had it shipped to my house. If the retailer would even do that.... Oh well. I need to invest in a Mark III anyways. Much cheaper than a silencer.

[Paco Lopez]

I also like guns with external safeties. I'd rather take my chances with the extra half second to pop the safety off than the slightly higher chance of accidentally blowing my johnson off if something accidentally catches the trigger.

I think it's a different story for cops seeing as they get to wear gunbelts with big sturdy holsters and don't have to do all this silly stuff to keep the gun concealed. Plus they spend a lot more time pointing guns at people than I do.

[Buffalo Phil]

Interesting. I wonder how much trouble I'd get in if I just ordered one and had it shipped to my house. If the retailer would even do that.... Oh well. I need to invest in a Mark III anyways. Much cheaper than a silencer.

LOL. Silencer dealer won't even talk to you unless you paid that tax stamp.

If you want a 'cheap' quite gun, get a Marlin or Savage bolt action .22 and load some fucking CB caps into it. The only sound you hear is the bullet hitting the target, no lie.

[Buffalo Phil]

I also like guns with external safeties. I'd rather take my chances with the extra half second to pop the safety off than the slightly higher chance of accidentally blowing my johnson off if something accidentally catches the trigger.

I think it's a different story for cops seeing as they get to wear gunbelts with big sturdy holsters and don't have to do all this silly stuff to keep the gun concealed. Plus they spend a lot more time pointing guns at people than I do.

I'll take an external safety if I have a hammer. With something like the HK P7 I have, an external safety is just unneeded.

[Adam]

I also like guns with external safeties. I'd rather take my chances with the extra half second to pop the safety off than the slightly higher chance of accidentally blowing my johnson off if something accidentally catches the trigger.

I think it's a different story for cops seeing as they get to wear gunbelts with big sturdy holsters and don't have to do all this silly stuff to keep the gun concealed. Plus they spend a lot more time pointing guns at people than I do.

Thats why I like my 27, its small and I don't have to do all this crazy shit just to keep it concealed. It also got the "safe action" trigger and I never keep a round chambered, I hate to say it but its virtually idiots proof.

When I was looking for a holster I was reading a lot of reviews. I can't believe the amount of people who will dress differently every single day of the week just so they can carry a full size 1911 or some other huge contraption on their belt.

[wannabejeep]

I cant shoot the compact glocks. I have big hands and they get pinched. It does not feel good.

[Paco Lopez]

Interesting. I wonder how much trouble I'd get in if I just ordered one and had it shipped to my house. If the retailer would even do that.... Oh well. I need to invest in a Mark III anyways. Much cheaper than a silencer.

I looked into it too. I was thinking about getting one for my PPK just to be awesome. My recollection is similar to Phil's regarding the tax stamp. You'll have to fill out this form:
http://www.atf.gov/forms/pdfs/f53204.pdf

You'll need a signature from the chief of your local law enforcement agency, some fingerprints, and recent mugshots. They will do a monster background check on you. If you're approved you are required to notify them if you move, sell the silencer, take a dump without wiping properly, or overhear anyone expressing disapproval of the government. They'll also install a tracking chip in your skull and add you to either the sex offender registry or the terrorist watch list just to be sure. They don't tell you which list you're on just to keep you on your toes.

Also, don't forget, just because they feds will let you have it doesn't mean they are legal in your state.

The irony of all this is that most European countries with restrictive gun laws encourage people who can actually get firearms to use silencers to keep the noise down.

[Adam]

I looked into it too. I was thinking about getting one for my PPK just to be awesome. My recollection is similar to Phil's regarding the tax stamp. You'll have to fill out this form:
http://www.atf.gov/forms/pdfs/f53204.pdf

You'll need a signature from the chief of your local law enforcement agency, some fingerprints, and recent mugshots. They will do a monster background check on you. If you're approved you are required to notify them if you move, sell the silencer, take a dump without wiping properly, or overhear anyone expressing disapproval of the government. They'll also install a tracking chip in your skull and add you to either the sex offender registry or the terrorist watch list just to be sure. They don't tell you which list you're on just to keep you on your toes.

Also, don't forget, just because they feds will let you have it doesn't mean they are legal in your state.

The irony of all this is that most European countries with restrictive gun laws encourage people who can actually get firearms to use silencers to keep the noise down.

I had to get a background check through the feds for work. I have filled out more paperwork about myself for one job application than most people will in their entire lives 3x over.

[Paco Lopez]

Also, an interesting loophole in the federal laws...

You also need a $200 tax stamp for "short barreled shotguns", commonly known as a sawed-off, but the legal definition of a shotgun used in that law includes the words "shoulder mounted".
Therefore if you buy a shotgun that came with a pistol grip from the factory (such as a Mossberg 500 cruiser) it does not fit the legal definition of a shotgun. If you cut said pistol grip shotgun down to make a sawed-off it is technically a smoothbore handgun which is classed as an "Any Other Weapon" rather than an SBS. You still need a form 4 to do it but the tax on an AOW is only $5 instead of $200 and you can move them across state lines unlike an SBS.

Just don't stick a rifled slug barrel on it or it becomes a "Destructive Device" and you're right back where you started.

[Paco Lopez]

I had to get a background check through the feds for work. I have filled out more paperwork about myself for one job application than most people will in their entire lives 3x over.

That's right, you work out at the noocular plant don't you, so you've already got the tracking chip installed in your skull

Edit: Or am I confusing you with somebody else on here who works at Millstone?

[Clause]

that tax stamp for the silencer is out of control.

sure you can have all the gun rights you want...

just not in your state..

just not for your age..

just for all the money in your bank account..

just not if you can't pass a background check..

just not if you burn the tips of your fingers to not have finger prints..

just not in a castle state..

and not for self defence...

[Adam]

That's right, you work out at the noocular plant don't you, so you've already got the tracking chip installed in your skull

Edit: Or am I confusing you with somebody else on here who works at Millstone?

No, but close enough. Hawk a good carry gun to check out is a Ruger LCP if you want more than 6 shots.

[Paco Lopez]

that tax stamp for the silencer is out of control.

sure you can have all the gun rights you want...

just not in your state..

just not for your age..

just for all the money in your bank account..

just not if you can't pass a background check..

just not if you burn the tips of your fingers to not have finger prints..

just not in a castle state..

and not for self defence...

Well, yeah, that was kind of the whole point. Back in the 1920's before they threw the constitution out the window the feds weren't allowed to do things like ban the manufacture of machine guns. When all the mobsters started shooting things up the feds used their constitutional power to tax
things to put ridiculously high taxes on things like machine guns, sawed offs, silencers, and whatever else the mob was using at the time.

$200 was a lot of money in the 1920's (many times the price of most guns) so it effectively took most of them out of circulation and gave the feds something to charge the mobsters with if they were caught with untaxed machine guns. In the end Al Capone went to Alcatraz for tax evasion.

After all these years and however much inflation we've had they never bothered to change the tax rate so it's still $200. Nowadays that isn't so bad but the feds don't bother with the constitution anymore so they just banned the manufacture of machine guns in the 80's and forgot about the rest of it.