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    So recently there was a little drama on here about proper etiquette when wheeling out west. I've been wheeling in CO and UT for about 9 years now, and from what I understand things out here are a bit different than back east for you guys. A lot of your guys' wheeling is private land and OHV parks, meaning you can pretty much go wherever you want. Out west that's not the case though. There are very strict rules dictating what we can and can't do out here.

    In the past the law had pretty much said that unless an route/area was marked closed, it should be considered open. That has recently changed, and now not only must the route be marked as open, it must also be included in the area's MVUM (Motor Vehicle Use Map). If the specific route you are on is not listed on this map, you are breaking the law and damaging our already fragile reputation. There are plenty of trails to check out on these maps, so you should not feel limited at all. There are probably thousands of miles of public trails that we have access to out here, so if you make a trip out west, it should be easy for you to find something that works for you.

    If you're looking to make a trip to CO, and want a recommendation on some trails to check out, www.colorado4x4.org is a great local board for Colorado and the members there would be more than happy to assist you in choosing some trails for your trip west.

    Now once you're on the actual trail, there may be a few things that are a little different out here too. Many of our most popular trails travel above timberline, which is usually a new concept for people from the east coast. When you're above timberline you're well over 10,000ft in elevation. There are MANY things to take into consideration when you're at this altitude. First, you will notice very quickly the lack of oxygen in the air. Your lungs will notice it, and many times your vehicle will too. Be prepared for this. Also, make sure to bring extra water as you can dehydrate very quickly at these altitudes.

    The other big thing is Alpine Tundra. While it may look like it's just a field, the Alpine Tundra is actually an extremely fragile ecosystem. Usually the soil is MUCH softer than what you might expect, so it is crucial that you do everything you can to stay within the boundaries of the trail/road that you are on. The terrain you traverse above timberline can also be very steep, and without much to slow you down, mistakes truly can be fatal. Be sure to exercise extreme caution when you encounter vehicles coming the opposite way, or if you need to turn around for some reason. It also very common to encounter snow still on the trail at any time of year in Colorado. If the road/trail is blocked by snow, PLEASE DO NOT leave the trail/road to go around the snow.

    I could go on for hours and hours about this stuff, but I think this covers the basics and some of the biggest issues for Colorado.

    A couple links to check out too:

    www.staythetrail.org
    A great foundation we have here in CO dedicated to educating people on using our public lands responsibly

    www.treadlightly.org
    Something everyone should be familiar with, regardless of what part of the country you wheel in.

    Here's a couple .pdf's of some good brochures too
    http://staythetrail.org/media/brochu..._optimized.pdf
    http://staythetrail.org/media/brochures/STT_4WD_v1.pdf

  • #2
    now THIS is how you approach land use.

    Bravo.

    Other internet warriors, take note.
    - Will


    Originally posted by fizzy
    or am asians pants not a read end lol.
    Originally posted by DizzDizz
    aliens probed my husband

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    • #3
      thanks for the info!!!
      2009 silver JK - destination beachy jeep
      J10 project do want.
      "attack life. its just going to kill you anyway"

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      • #4
        hey i fully apologize for what i said earlier i just misread what you wrote. so i am sorry if i offended you.
        1996 xj, waggy 44 front 5.13 gears aussie trussed, 3 links, 3.5" coils, spooled 8.8 rear, 38" tsl sx's, tnt front bumper, jesus freaks rear bumper, Olympic top hat roof rack, bunch of dumb shit
        2001 wj tbd
        1974 5 ton

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        • #5
          No worries raze! I just hope people see this, read it, and take it to heart and join us in respecting the land out here as much as we can!

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          • #6
            this is awesome that you posted this...really great info for us
            mrs. heavymetal from jeepforum
            2022 JL Rubicon

            Originally posted by hoggie101
            and everyone qute dis because its the best grammer im going to have all year

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Big Dave View Post
              No worries raze! I just hope people see this, read it, and take it to heart and join us in respecting the land out here as much as we can!
              i left a formal apology on your site again no hard feelings
              1996 xj, waggy 44 front 5.13 gears aussie trussed, 3 links, 3.5" coils, spooled 8.8 rear, 38" tsl sx's, tnt front bumper, jesus freaks rear bumper, Olympic top hat roof rack, bunch of dumb shit
              2001 wj tbd
              1974 5 ton

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              • #8
                No hard feelings at all raze!

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                • #9
                  Greetings from Leadville

                  Hello from Leadville, Colorado,

                  I'm not a member of your club, but I met "Hawky Clause" on his big adventure today, just off Mosquito Pass in Leadville, Colorado. Actually, I am the guy with the F350 and the come-along who came to help get him out of the willows. I'm not writing in here to take him over the coals or to shame him, but he absolutely was driving in a place he should not have been. My cousin (age 18) stopped yesterday to help Hawk, and he got stuck too. So he called me and, yes, of course, I got stuck in the process.

                  Look, we've all been there, but the bottom line is if you're not equipped to extract yourself, and everyone around you is getting stuck helping you, odds are very good you're in the wrong place with the wrong equipment. We made a mess of the area and I wish we hadn't; we did the best we could. But, we needed to get those vehicles out of there somehow, and I felt it was better to spend a few hours with us locals than to make them pay for a tow company and to deal with the USFS and a fine just to prove a point.

                  I am a fifth generation Leadvillite and we take great pride in our mountains (I was embarrassed to have our "Pioneer License Plates" so boldly emblazened on his thread photos.) Guys such as Big Dave and I are just trying to keep it open, safe and fun. I don't want to close trails, just keep vehicles on established trails. Clubs such as yours are much better served by policing yourselves and watching after your brothers and sisters.

                  All that being said, Hawky Clause and Hawk's Girl's Mosquito Adventure turned out o.k. He goofed up, got in a bad spot and lost a day in his travels. Nobody got hurt, They were both polite, they bought us lunch, and we had some laughs afterwards (even during).

                  Going backward I enjoyed reading his thread from the beginning and hoped to follow it to the end of his journey. (Was his thread taken down? I hope it gets put back up! Lessons can be learned.) Hawky Clause and Hawk's Girl are good kids and I wish them well: no hard feelings, just safe and smart travels.

                  I am sure that one of these days when I get stranded, there will be an "SIS-Off-Road" type who will be happy to pull me out!
                  Last edited by StrayHorse; 07-03-2009, 12:06 AM. Reason: typo

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by StrayHorse View Post
                    Hello from Leadville, Colorado,

                    I'm not a member of your club, but I met "Hawky Clause" on his big adventure today, just off Mosquito Pass in Leadville, Colorado. Actually, I am the guy with the F350 and the come-along who came to help get him out of the willows. I'm not writing in here to take him over the coals or to shame him, but he absolutely was driving in a place he should not have been. My cousin (age 18) stopped yesterday to help Hawk, and he got stuck too. So he called me and, yes, of course, I got stuck in the process.

                    Look, we've all been there, but the bottom line is if you're not equipped to extract yourself, and everyone around you is getting stuck helping you, odds are very good you're in the wrong place with the wrong equipment. We made a mess of the area and I wish we hadn't; we did the best we could. But, we needed to get those vehicles out of there somehow, and I felt it was better to spend a few hours with us locals than to make them pay for a tow company and to deal with the USFS and a fine just to prove a point.

                    I am a fifth generation Leadvillite and we take great pride in our mountains (I was embarrassed to have our "Pioneer License Plates" so boldly emblazened on his thread photos.) Guys such as Big Dave and I are just trying to keep it open, safe and fun. I don't want to close trails, just keep vehicles on established trails. Clubs such as yours are much better served by policing yourselves and watching after your brothers and sisters.

                    All that being said, Hawky Clause and Hawk's Girl's Mosquito Adventure turned out o.k. He goofed up, got in a bad spot and lost a day in his travels. Nobody got hurt, They were both polite, they bought us lunch, and we had some laughs afterwards (even during).

                    Going backward I enjoyed reading his thread from the beginning and hoped to follow it to the end of his journey. (Was his thread taken down? I hope it gets put back up! Lessons can be learned.) Hawky Clause and Hawk's Girl are good kids and I wish them well: no hard feelings, just safe and smart travels.

                    I am sure that one of these days when I get stranded, there will be an "SIS-Off-Road" type who will be happy to pull me out!


                    well said
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                    • #11
                      Thanks Dave for posting the info up here. It may have seemed like we were coming onto your board here and attacking at will, but, we were just trying to protect what we have. Too many asshats get behind a 4WD and think it's a free ticket to drive every/any where they please. 1, it gets them into trouble, 2, it gets people hurt. We welcome all who want to come out west and enjoy what we have in our backyard. I just hope that the information posted up above can be taken to heart, and help educate those who just dont know better. Coming from the midwest, you could drive just about anywere with little consiquence. When I moved to CO, it was definitely a learing curve, but, people like Dave were willing to take the time to show me the ropes and teach me the diff between good/bad wheeling etiquette. Feel free to come over and join in on discussions and voice your opinions, especially if you plan on coming out to wheel. Not only will you find out valuable info, but, may find a few people to go along and show you around!



                      www.colorado4x4.org
                      Last edited by Jeepnguy; 07-03-2009, 08:24 PM.

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                      • #12
                        good shit dude!!! one day we will be out there haha

                        97 TJ that I think is pretty neat.

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