Since the Subaru threads continue...

[ct67_72]

If you could "give a shit less if they were married", why do you have such a reasonably thought-out (however flawed it may be) opinion on the subject?

If a heterosexual couple loves each other and wishes to get married but not have children, by your logic they shouldn't "deserve the same entitlements" that you hypothetically "deserve". Why should hetero couples that don't want children not be entitled to these same "entitlements"? Why does it need to be a homosexual couple, and ONLY a homosexual couple, that can't have said entitlements?

Who cares if they want kids or not? How do you propose to enforce said "entitlements?" If you're going to try and say that homosexual couples aren't entitled to the same "entitlements" as you simply because they can't have childen, then you better be prepared to have a reason to deny said "entitlements" to hetero couples that are either incapable of reproducing or simply don't want to have kids. Your argument is pretty much invalid. Flame away, but my point is solid.

15 years ago this wouldn't have been an arguement. We have lost the ideals of marriage. Which is a sacred bond between a man and a woman. Not to get tax breaks take advantage of the government.
The idea of marriage was to affirm that bond and start a family. Should you not be able to conceive than that's fine. Adoption is fine. It still creates a family.
There is a big difference of getting married, having the intent to reproduce but not be able to, and getting married as a same sex.
The argument of some people don't want/or can't have children is invalid because in this case majority rules.
I don't have a problem with gay parents adopting, and I would never be against it, but that doesn't constitute a family to me. If your a man, and want a child, being with another man obviously isn't the way to do it. If you want kids, you have to be with a woman. If you dont want to be with a woman than you don't have kids. You certainly don't get married and adopt and receive the same benefits that I do because I am not an evolutionary dead end.
I'm not opposed to gay rights. But the right to be gay doesn't give you the right to be married.
There are men and women for a reason. Ultimately I guess my argument is to keep that distinction clear.

[Krazors001]

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The idea of marriage was to affirm that bond and start a family. Should you not be able to conceive than that's fine. Adoption is fine. It still creates a family. What about straight couples that choose to not have children? Should they have children so the fit your mold or just not get married at all?
There is a big difference of getting married, having the intent to reproduce but not be able to, and getting married as a same sex.
The argument of some people don't want/or can't have children is invalid because in this case majority rules. This is invalid because it goes against your opinion
I don't have a problem with gay parents adopting, and I would never be against it, but that doesn't constitute a family to me. If your a man, and want a child, being with another man obviously isn't the way to do it. If you want kids, you have to be with a woman. If you dont want to be with a woman than you don't have kids. You certainly don't get married and adopt and receive the same benefits that I do because I am not an evolutionary dead end. So because I live in a trailer park with my 8 children that I neglect while I sit it the bar wasting my paycheck away instead of trying to provide a better life for them I am more of a family than the gay couple who lives in the suburbs with their two children who are active in sports, performing well in school, and understand that just because they have two moms/dads they're not going to turn out gay?
I'm not opposed to gay rights. But the right to be gay doesn't give you the right to be married.
There are men and women for a reason. Ultimately I guess my argument is to keep that distinction clear.I hate to tell you this, but I think people can tell the difference between a man/woman still and there's been gays for a couple of years now. I mean Will and Grace was on originally aired in the 90's

[ct67_72]

What about straight couples that choose to not have children? Should they have children so the fit your mold or just not get married at all?They afford the right to decide that. If they do choose to have children than they get to take advantages of its benefits. If not than they have chosen not to. Simple as that.
This is invalid because it goes against your opinionIt is not against my opinion. The fact of the matter is the majority of people who get married have children. Do they all? No. Do we side with the majority. Yes.
So because I live in a trailer park with my 8 children that I neglect while I sit it the bar wasting my paycheck away instead of trying to provide a better life for them I am more of a family than the gay couple who lives in the suburbs with their two children who are active in sports, performing well in school, and understand that just because they have two moms/dads they're not going to turn out gay? So without being married you couldnt raise an adopted child in the suburbs? Unfortunately even trailer trash has the right to reproduce. Thats what men and women were meant to do.
I hate to tell you this, but I think people can tell the difference between a man/woman still and there's been gays for a couple of years now. I mean Will and Grace was on originally aired in the 90's
So Will and Grace proves a distinction of why men and women are designed to go together and men and men/women and women are not?
I understand, and am perfectly fine with the fact that some are attracted to the same sex. You cant help it. But some are attracted to animals, multiple people, inanimate objects. Should they be allowed to marry them?
Maybe someone is Bi-sexual, should they be allowed to marry a man and a woman? How far does this go?

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[Asian Mike]

this thread is epic. bottom line, they should be able to do what they want to do. and anybody who thinks otherwise just has some problem of their own that they need to sort out. what does it matter to you if they wanna get married and start a family? does it personally offend you to see people who are happy? even though it may not be the conventional man and woman marriage? i think that would just be the definition of a hater, you're just jealous that you're not as happy as they are. hater gon' hate

[ct67_72]

Riiighhhhtt Jealous. Makes sense. I guess thats an easy out. Im just jealous of people on welfare too because they dont have to work.
Anyway. What is wrong with civil union? Why does it have to go farther than that? It gives you the basic rights recognizing you as a couple.
You cant argue equal rights when its not equal.

[Asian Mike]

i just don't understand why people give a damn about what gay people want to do. does it personally offend you? does seeing them together and happy make your balls itch or something?

[loudobbs]

Wait... is this thread not about subarus?

[ct67_72]

i just don't understand why people give a damn about what gay people want to do. does it personally offend you? does seeing them together and happy make your balls itch or something?

Doesnt bother me a bit, my gay uncle is one of my favorite relatives. Does that mean I cant have an opinion? All I have heard so far in this thread is why Im wrong, and nothing about why everyone else believes so.
Like I said, Im not strongly opinionated in this at all, but if you ask me my opinion and I think about it, thats what I believe.
Id like to hear why the opposite is some others beliefs, other than "who cares if they get married"

[hippie metal]

Are you seriously trying to relate same sex marriage to bestiality? Youre diggin a fuckin hole here pal

[Asian Mike]

Doesnt bother me a bit, my gay uncle is one of my favorite relatives. Does that mean I cant have an opinion? All I have heard so far in this thread is why Im wrong, and nothing about why everyone else believes so.
Like I said, Im not strongly opinionated in this at all, but if you ask me my opinion and I think about it, thats what I believe.
Id like to hear why the opposite is some others beliefs, other than "who cares if they get married"

here's my belief. if they're happy with what they're doing, let them do it.

[hippie metal]

You cant argue equal rights when its not equal.

pretty sure everybodys equal. Kinda hope one of your kids turns out gay and want to marry another man, solely to see the look on your face

[Lawn Guyland]

gay, straight, bi, whatever the fuck you are

you are human, and deserve the same 'rights' as everyone else.

won't post much more, this is too touchy of a subject for me. but it is sad that there are so many people out there who are against gay marriage.

[Asian Mike]

gay, straight, bi, whatever the fuck you are

you are human, and deserve the same 'rights' as everyone else.

won't post much more, this is too touchy of a subject for me. but it is sad that there are so many people out there who are against gay marriage.

+1

[hippie metal]

gay, straight, bi, whatever the fuck you are

you are human, and deserve the same 'rights' as everyone else.

won't post much more, this is too touchy of a subject for me. but it is sad that there are so many people out there who are against gay marriage.

GET EM GURLLL

[Krazors001]

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The idea of marriage was to affirm that bond and start a family. Should you not be able to conceive than that's fine. Adoption is fine. It still creates a family. What about straight couples that choose to not have children? Should they have children so the fit your mold or just not get married at all?
There is a big difference of getting married, having the intent to reproduce but not be able to, and getting married as a same sex.
The argument of some people don't want/or can't have children is invalid because in this case majority rules. This is invalid because it goes against your opinion
I don't have a problem with gay parents adopting, and I would never be against it, but that doesn't constitute a family to me. If your a man, and want a child, being with another man obviously isn't the way to do it. If you want kids, you have to be with a woman. If you dont want to be with a woman than you don't have kids. You certainly don't get married and adopt and receive the same benefits that I do because I am not an evolutionary dead end. So because I live in a trailer park with my 8 children that I neglect while I sit it the bar wasting my paycheck away instead of trying to provide a better life for them I am more of a family than the gay couple who lives in the suburbs with their two children who are active in sports, performing well in school, and understand that just because they have two moms/dads they're not going to turn out gay?
I'm not opposed to gay rights. But the right to be gay doesn't give you the right to be married.
There are men and women for a reason. Ultimately I guess my argument is to keep that distinction clear.I hate to tell you this, but I think people can tell the difference between a man/woman still and there's been gays for a couple of years now. I mean Will and Grace was on originally aired in the 90's

Riiighhhhtt Jealous. Makes sense. I guess thats an easy out. Im just jealous of people on welfare too because they dont have to work.
Anyway. What is wrong with civil union? Why does it have to go farther than that? It gives you the basic rights recognizing you as a couple.
You cant argue equal rights when its not equal.

Seperate, but equal

I can't quote your comments but I was making a joke with Will & Grace that homosexuality has been around for centuries and the world continues to go on. Last I checked there are still plenty of heterosexuals procreating out there. You somehow think that because a man and a woman cannot naturally procreate it gives them the right to adopt, but because a same gender couple cannot it is different and wrong.

I feel like you commented in here not actually thinking about what you are saying. You're okay with civil union but not with marriage? You're fine with gays adopting but don't think it is right and think marriage is to start a family but don't consider a gay couple adopting a family? Couples who choose to not have children considered a family but then does make a gay couple with no children a family.

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