while we're debating...

[Lawn Guyland]

saw this on the news this morning and figured i'd share. i know everyone on this forum has different opinions and wanted to hear everyone's reactions to this. what are your thoughts on what this pastor said? do you agree? do you think he's too harsh?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1468618.html

Sean Harris, senior pastor of Berean Baptist Church in Fayettesville, spoke at length in support of North Carolina's proposed Amendment 1, which would define marriage in the state constitution as between one man and one woman and would outlaw civil unions and domestic partnerships, during an hour-long sermon on Sunday.

"So your little son starts to act a little girlish when he is four years old and instead of squashing that like a cockroach and saying, 'Man up, son, get that dress off you and get outside and dig a ditch, because that is what boys do,' you get out the camera and you start taking pictures of Johnny acting like a female and then you upload it to YouTube and everybody laughs about it and the next thing you know, this dude, this kid is acting out childhood fantasies that should have been squashed.

Dads, the second you see your son dropping the limp wrist, you walk over there and crack that wrist. Man up. Give him a good punch. Ok? You are not going to act like that. You were made by God to be a male and you are going to be a male. And when your daughter starts acting too butch, you reign [sic] her in. And you say, 'Oh, no, sweetheart. You can play sports. Play them to the glory of God. But sometimes you are going to act like a girl and walk like a girl and talk like a girl and smell like a girl and that means you are going to be beautiful. You are going to be attractive. You are going to dress yourself up.'"

There's a video on that site as well with him speaking.

Just curious as to what everyone thinks.

Debate away...

[Hydra]

I agree with the idea of actually raising your kids, but there comes an age when they must become sexually autonomous, and at this point I would support any gender rile/sexuality decisions made by my child.

[Buffalo Phil]

Did that pastor just tell me to punch Dillon every time he ???

[Hydra]

'ing is natural

[DizzDizz]

I think homosexulality is something acquired. Its not genetic bullshit but you cant tell your kid to go out a dig a ditch lol. Shit my neighbors yard would be full of ditches.

[Hydra]

I would be inclined to agree with you Dizzy. Recently I read a series of articles concerning the recently exposed rash of young teen, or even toddler, transgender children. In the study were 3 young males, who for all intents and purposes "were" girls. They had their names changed and their hair grown out. The parents of all three children said that their little boys had one day just started saying they, "wanted to be girls."

It is at this point where I believe the parents should have said, "Oh well, you're a dude."

Instead, each of these three parental groups reinforced their child's behavior by changing their names, referring to them as she, etc. It is my strong conviction that if these very young children were not positively reinforced in their quest for attention, at such an early mental and physical developmental age, they would have time to learn their sexuality at a rate equative to their puberty.

In the end, all three children, around the age of 8-10, were starting to be given hormone therapy to slow the puberty process, so as to stop the development of male characteristics.

This is the most disturbing part to me, that these children who are not old enough to use a microwave without supervision, are being allowed to decide whether they become a man or woman.

[ninetysix-ex-jay]

It is at this point where I believe the parents should have said, "Oh well, you're a dude."

I don't know about that man. If you were a parent wouldn't you want to try and support your kids ideas rather then force them to be something? I feel that if thats what they think they are, its going to come out later in life too and maybe they'll resent you for it.

[hippie metal]

Did that pastor just tell me to punch Dillon every time he ???

[Hydra]

I don't know about that man. If you were a parent wouldn't you want to try and support your kids ideas rather then force them to be something? I feel that if thats what they think they are, its going to come out later in life too and maybe they'll resent you for it.

At age 8-10 it is my job as a parent to utilize the most formative years of my childs life to moderate him/her into being a stable, adjusted member of the family and society.

If your 8-10 yr old decided he wanted to get tiger stripe tattoos all over their body because they just KNEW they were a tiger, would you?

They might resent you and they might hate you, but what happens when your little boy undegoes gene therapy at age age 10 to demasculate himself, then finds out at age 16 that he hates his body and wants to be a boy?

The change from one sex to another physically can be undertaken at any point, but I feel it should be up to the parents to mitigate the risk of doing to at such a tentative age.

[Lumbergh]

I don't know about that man. If you were a parent wouldn't you want to try and support your kids ideas rather then force them to be something? I feel that if thats what they think they are, its going to come out later in life too and maybe they'll resent you for it.

When I was 8-10 I wanted to quit school get a backhoe and dig holes all day long my parents didn't let me.

[Hydra]

When I was 8-10 I wanted to quit school get a backhoe and dig holes all day long my parents didn't let me.

My point exactly.

Parents should not accomodate the every whim of their child. This breeds the little monsters you see whining and screaming in the grocery stores because their parents won't let them watch Dora the Explorer on their iPad.

[CntStpTheStnk06]

My point exactly.

Parents should not accomodate the every whim of their child. This breeds the little monsters you see whining and screaming in the grocery stores because their parents won't let them watch Dora the Explorer on their iPad.

[Carlleen]

1penny+1penny= 2cents

This is the whole Evangelical shit that drives me away from Christianity. I get what the bible says. When you look at statistics obviously being gay is not the norm. However, when parents put faith in a belief over the unconditional love for a child, that's when I have to rage. Whatever the truth about God/Jesus/heaven is will be found out after we die. Why use your beliefs as a way to alienate a child who looks up to you with every sense of their being. Life is too short to waste it on hate and bullshit.

Do I think gay people should be married, personally, no. With that said I would never force my beliefs on anyone else. I feel that everyone is entitled to a life of happiness. Its not the governments job to tell us what partner to choose.

As for this church yahoo; no Logic, just emotional responses to the situation backed by scare tactics and a phoney interpretation of what god really wants.

[Hydra]

FUK DA CHURTCH

[ninetysix-ex-jay]

When I was 8-10 I wanted to quit school get a backhoe and dig holes all day long my parents didn't let me.

I see your point. Actually for my 11th birthday I wanted my parents to rent me a bobcat and they said no

So that makes sense