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    For my Senior project/thesis I decided to do a study between Jeep Cherokee Suspensions. Both the factory 4 link short arm design (this includes aftermarket short arms) vs. the aftermarket long arm system (primarily radius arm style). The study will focus mainly on customer satisfaction between different companies out there since there is not too many ways to get numerical data besides an RTI ramp. Since I am not anywhere near an RTI ramp, I will have to wait til Rausch to get that part of the data. So if anyone is going to Rausch anytime soon, Ill score your Jeep if you want to give me a few minutes of your time.

    Now, for the actual customer satisfaction part of the data. I want to focus both on on-road drivability and off-road drivability/capability. and I need about 5 questions for each part of the survey. If anyone has any other ideas that they think would be good for the test, definitely post up and let me know. For now, if you could take a few min and answer these questions it would be greatly appreciated. Everything is on a 1-10 scale. I would like people to respond if they feel they have sufficient seat time with their suspension. Not something they put on last week and "seems to be good" etc. It will be better data if people actually know the kit well and its characteristics. and try not to be impartial to the kit you have just because its yours. I want to know the truth about it. Im looking for Jeeps in the 3.5"-6" lift range and between 33" and 35" tires. These are very broad questions so answer the best you can. and remember, BE HONEST! if your jeep doesnt soak up bumps well or corner well (and I realize not many of us run sway bars and are used to it), I wanna know about it. and if you want to add anything to say why any category got a high score or low score (ex: joints failed after a month/ 3 years on the same joints) please feel free. I realize not all of you have experience with every kit to compare stuff together. Just do your best on what you would think the score should be. Im sure a lot of you have driven other peoples XJs with different set-ups. I just want to know about ones you have a lot of experience with. If you have a ton of experience with other peoples, fill out a survey for that too. If you have only driven it once, Im sorry. Also, I realize different shocks, spring rates etc will give different results. I just want to know about your front suspension and thats it. I dont care what you are running for rear leafs/shocks. Its not the point of the study. the study is to compare the front suspension. Thanks!


    1. What brand suspension do you run?


    2. Short arm or radius long arm?


    3. On a scale of 1 to 10 (1 being more towards on road and 10 being towards off road), do you spend more time with your Jeep on road or off road?


    4. Are you running sway bars? F/R/none


    5. If you could change your suspension, what would you change to? (upgrade to long arm? different short arms? brand?)


    6. Ease of Installation. 1-10


    7. How much was it?



    On road drivability

    1. How well does your suspension soak up bumps? 1- holy crap im gonna die. 5- not bad. 10- did i just hit something?


    2. Cornering ability. how planted does your Jeep feel? 1- AHHHH 5- A little scary. 10- Ferrari


    3. When you have to do a quick maneuver, how well does the suspension respond? 1- super slow/sloppy. 5- Not too bad. 10- very safely and tight


    4. Comfort level. 1- harsh. 5- could be better. 10- Extreme comfort



    Off-Road Drivability/Capability

    1. Articulation. How well does it flex? 1- lift tires everywhere. 5- could be better. 10- Very very flexy. tires stay on the ground.


    2. Bump absorption. Does it soak it up or does your back hurt? Comfort level. 1-10 (same scale as #4 in on road section)


    3. Strength. Can it take a beating? 1- bends with minor hits. 5- bends with bigger hits. 10- Will never bend. Ever.


    4. Durability. Joint/bushing condition etc. 1- everything fell apart after a week. 5- Not bad. minor issues.lasted for a while. 10- Lasted forever, no issues.


    5. Off-Road Capability. 1-This suspension kills me. 5- Gets me most places I want to go. 10- Takes me EVERYWHERE.


    6. Clearance. 1- Hits every rock. 5- Could use a little more. 10- rarely ever hits unless its a big obstacle.




    For now I think that is a good start. I really dont need 400 questions. all I need is enough people to take the survey to hopefully get enough people with each suspension. All in all this is not only comparing each company's suspensions, but comparing the factory 4 link design vs. a radius long arm suspension. and if anyone has any other ideas/questions for the survey PLEASE FEEL FREE TO LET ME KNOW. THANKS GUYS!
    Last edited by CumminsJeep; 03-10-2011, 02:13 PM.

    97 TJ that I think is pretty neat.

  • #2
    Can i fill it out for my last setup? off the xj wagoneer
    1996 xj, waggy 44 front 5.13 gears aussie trussed, 3 links, 3.5" coils, spooled 8.8 rear, 38" tsl sx's, tnt front bumper, jesus freaks rear bumper, Olympic top hat roof rack, bunch of dumb shit
    2001 wj tbd
    1974 5 ton

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    • #3
      shooo durable
      mrs. heavymetal from jeepforum
      2022 JL Rubicon

      Originally posted by hoggie101
      and everyone qute dis because its the best grammer im going to have all year

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Magilla View Post
        Can i fill it out for my last setup? off the xj wagoneer
        yup please do. and any other XJs you had in the past

        97 TJ that I think is pretty neat.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Lawn Guyland View Post
          shooo durable
          I saw you were the last one to comment and I had a feeling it had to do with the word durable

          97 TJ that I think is pretty neat.

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          • #6
            mrs. heavymetal from jeepforum
            2022 JL Rubicon

            Originally posted by hoggie101
            and everyone qute dis because its the best grammer im going to have all year

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            • #7
              Club Comp?
              2000 XJ: "The Black Jeep"
              MK2 Jetta > M3
              Chairman of the Chechnyan Space Program

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              • #8
                want data from my red xj and white xj?
                p.s. pick up your knuckle
                p.p.s. chris and i are going to RC somewhat soon
                I drive a Datsun

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Burton58 View Post
                  want data from my red xj and white xj?
                  p.s. pick up your knuckle
                  p.p.s. chris and i are going to RC somewhat soon
                  p.s. yes I do want info on both. more info the better.

                  p.p.s. I will get the knuckle soon.

                  p.p.p.s Lets go to rausch. let me know when

                  97 TJ that I think is pretty neat.

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                  • #10
                    were hoping to go for a shakedown run in a week or 2. then a couple weeks later is the club comp so we'll be there for both
                    I drive a Datsun

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Burton58 View Post
                      were hoping to go for a shakedown run in a week or 2. then a couple weeks later is the club comp so we'll be there for both
                      Come up here, I'll be doing a shakedown then
                      I don't always drink orange juice, but when I do, I prefer to chew it. #madpulp

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                      • #12
                        Had this setup with the long arms since spring of 2007, had a fawkload of time in it. Changed shocks and springs around since, but otherwise constant.

                        Originally posted by CumminsJeep View Post


                        1. What brand suspension do you run?

                        TNT, BDS, Deaver, Fox

                        2. Short arm or radius long arm?

                        Long Arm


                        3. On a scale of 1 to 10 (1 being more towards on road and 10 being towards off road), do you spend more time with your Jeep on road or off road?

                        7

                        4. Are you running sway bars? F/R/none

                        None.


                        5. If you could change your suspension, what would you change to? (upgrade to long arm? different short arms? brand?)

                        Not going to change it. Changing joints from RE to Currie

                        6. Ease of Installation. 1-10

                        10 being easiest? I suppose an 8.



                        7. How much was it?

                        The arms/belly were 875


                        On road drivability

                        1. How well does your suspension soak up bumps? 1- holy crap im gonna die. 5- not bad. 10- did i just hit something?

                        9

                        2. Cornering ability. how planted does your Jeep feel? 1- AHHHH 5- A little scary. 10- Ferrari

                        8

                        3. When you have to do a quick maneuver, how well does the suspension respond? 1- super slow/sloppy. 5- Not too bad. 10- very safely and tight

                        10

                        4. Comfort level. 1- harsh. 5- could be better. 10- Extreme comfort

                        8

                        Off-Road Drivability/Capability

                        1. Articulation. How well does it flex? 1- lift tires everywhere. 5- could be better. 10- Very very flexy. tires stay on the ground.

                        8

                        2. Bump absorption. Does it soak it up or does your back hurt? Comfort level. 1-10 (same scale as #4 in on road section)

                        10 (christ i'd hope so at this point)


                        3. Strength. Can it take a beating? 1- bends with minor hits. 5- bends with bigger hits. 10- Will never bend. Ever.

                        8


                        4. Durability. Joint/bushing condition etc. 1- everything fell apart after a week. 5- Not bad. minor issues.lasted for a while. 10- Lasted forever, no issues.

                        5 (lasted decent, but are trashed now, but its also been 4 years

                        5. Off-Road Capability. 1-This suspension kills me. 5- Gets me most places I want to go. 10- Takes me EVERYWHERE.

                        7


                        6. Clearance. 1- Hits every rock. 5- Could use a little more. 10- rarely ever hits unless its a big obstacle.

                        10
                        - Will


                        Originally posted by fizzy
                        or am asians pants not a read end lol.
                        Originally posted by DizzDizz
                        aliens probed my husband

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                        • #13
                          can i submit TJ data?
                          "when I'm riding my motorcycle,I'm glad to be alive...when I stop riding my motorcycle,I'm glad to be alive"

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                          • #14
                            Will, thank you for finally giving me a good survey to work with.

                            Dana, go ahead and do it anyway. I may not use it because it is a wrangler (eventhough its the same suspension) but if I need it down the road it will be nice to have another one to throw in

                            97 TJ that I think is pretty neat.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by CumminsJeep View Post

                              1. What brand suspension do you run?

                              Rusty's 3 inch coils, 1/2 inch spacers, stock arms AAL's out back

                              2. Short arm or radius long arm?

                              Short

                              3. On a scale of 1 to 10 (1 being more towards on road and 10 being towards off road), do you spend more time with your Jeep on road or off road?

                              5

                              4. Are you running sway bars? F/R/none

                              None

                              5. If you could change your suspension, what would you change to? (upgrade to long arm? different short arms? brand?)

                              Long arms, probably clayton. I like the mounting system, and the local factor is big too. Probably move up to about 4.5 inches of lift at some point as well.

                              6. Ease of Installation. 1-10

                              3


                              7. How much was it?

                              300 for lift

                              On road drivability

                              1. How well does your suspension soak up bumps? 1- holy crap im gonna die. 5- not bad. 10- did i just hit something?

                              4 Rides pretty rough, AAL's are quite stiff and shocks are junk.

                              2. Cornering ability. how planted does your Jeep feel? 1- AHHHH 5- A little scary. 10- Ferrari

                              Dry pavement 7

                              3. When you have to do a quick maneuver, how well does the suspension respond? 1- super slow/sloppy. 5- Not too bad. 10- very safely and tight

                              4


                              4. Comfort level. 1- harsh. 5- could be better. 10- Extreme comfort

                              3 Pretty harsh

                              Off-Road Drivability/Capability

                              1. Articulation. How well does it flex? 1- lift tires everywhere. 5- could be better. 10- Very very flexy. tires stay on the ground.

                              5 Pretty flexy

                              2. Bump absorption. Does it soak it up or does your back hurt? Comfort level. 1-10 (same scale as #4 in on road section)

                              4 Pretty bumpy.


                              3. Strength. Can it take a beating? 1- bends with minor hits. 5- bends with bigger hits. 10- Will never bend. Ever.

                              1 for the uppers, Uppers are really weak, but have been fine so far for me. Lowers I'd give a 3.

                              4. Durability. Joint/bushing condition etc. 1- everything fell apart after a week. 5- Not bad. minor issues.lasted for a while. 10- Lasted forever, no issues.

                              6 Bushings are in good shape after 21 years.

                              5. Off-Road Capability. 1-This suspension kills me. 5- Gets me most places I want to go. 10- Takes me EVERYWHERE.

                              5 No complaints for what it is.


                              6. Clearance. 1- Hits every rock. 5- Could use a little more. 10- rarely ever hits unless its a big obstacle.

                              5

                              there ya go. Gives you an idea what a stockish set up scores.
                              1993 XJ sport 3.5" rustys 33" MTZ's armored.
                              1999 sierra
                              1967 M725 Big and Slow
                              -Dan

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