Mini buggy for the lil'un of the bunch

[SupermanIce-J]

I have had this idea for some time now. A relatively inexpensive buggy on 33's for go fast or 35's for crawlin.

I drew these up in my boredom at work today. Plans for this model are a
rear engine honda 4 cylinder
d300
toyota axles or 44's
two seater
2.5 air shocks or 2.0 coil overs... or if i can afford them, bypasses.
3 link w/ panhard front
double triangulated 4 link rear.
1.5" DOM
Unknown wheel base
Goodyear MTR with kevlar. 33" fo racin and 35" fo crawlin.'

However... this will be a fairly expensive budget build...





What do youinz think... I had talked alot about it at KOH but after thinking about it... it is a huge undertaking. After all it is just like building a buggy from scratch... just a mini one.

As of right now this is a dream but to one day i hope it to be a reality. I will use this thread to post some of my ideas and i would like some input form my good ol' buddies here at SIS.

[CSaddict]

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=562853

[SupermanIce-J]

HRmm. that one i have not seen.

The buggy that sort of started this choo choo train in my head

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showt...ered+kid+buggy

[crosbike]

I think its an interesting concept and i know you are a small lad but i would rather just build a fullsize buggy. It may cost some more in the long run(or it may cost less) to build a fullsize but i think a fullsize buggy would be more fun. Plus you can get chicks to ride in it with you

[SupermanIce-J]

If all goes to plan... it will be able to accomodate some one 6'2"... I will use my dad for reference of that.

However It is being built like a race car in that the steering wheel will be in your lap and your knees will be in your chest no matter what size you are. Believe me... for racing this is the way you want it. Look at almost all of the ultra4 cars... they are not riding with the space of a cadillac.

And the chick's will be like ZOMG He must not be compensating for something like these other guys are.

[SupermanIce-J]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xTBxgcake0[/ame] After looking at this vid... that red Sammy buggy is sick. probably reasonable to build too.

[wannabejeep]

If all goes to plan... it will be able to accomodate some one 6'2"...

I'll just stay home then.

[SupermanIce-J]

I'll just stay home then.

How tall are ya?

[customcreationsllc]

You sound like me when I started thinking Buggy.

Look at the Extreme4x4 budget buggy build it is basically what you are doing but with rear steer.

One thing the Honda B series engines are reverse rotation, so you cannot bolt up any other automatic maybe a standard would work in revers but with a rear engine it would be hard to shift a standard.
Then the honda K series spin the normal direction but are pricey and not much as far as adapters go.

You have to understand how a transaxle works, the differential is in the transmission hence transaxle.
so you have 2 shafts comming out that normally go to each wheel, they sell spools for some honda transmissions or you can weld up the spiders. then use the 2 axle comming out to connect to the front and rear axle.

NO transfercase. the transaxles have around a 4.22 gear reduction.
The issues are you are always stuck in low range and you cannot do digs you cannot disengage an axle maybe with one of the toyota disconnection conversions.
I was thinking about sending one axle to a divorced T-case then you can run digs and have extra low low range. I have a divorced NP205 if you want.
Stuck in low range is what stopped the design for me.

If you can live with that then you can build a very light rig.
Good luck.

Bypass are not worth it around here that is for desert racing large whoops etc.
You don't have enough open space around here to need them.
The fastest guys at Rausch hit 70mph on the straights so even stuck in low range wouldn't hurt too much.
You can find fox air shocks cheap on Pirate classifieds, I'm going to go with ORI a lot more but they are internally 3 bypass, and have 1" hydraulic bump stop, and the fact that you can put under pressure they have a top and bottom pressure area you can set the ride height and spring rate better think of it like a leaf spring you need to pull it down where a coil just goes to full extend. This makes it more staple and you shouldn't need to run a sway bar.

Toyota axle are hard to find around here they haven't made them in a while you can buy them new but$$ cheapest way out you might be able to get away with HP30 and a 8.8 you can always upgrade the axle later if need be.
If you keep it really light like only 1 seater. But wieght adds up fast tires, you, fluids, engine tranny axles your already close to 2,000lbs before you start.
The more I thought about it the larger the axle I wanted so I left the D30 plus I couldn't fit 45º of steering suspension and an engine with the narrow axle. So I ended up going with a custom D50/D44 combo. and a rear D60.


Funny this is where I all started with my buggy design, then ended up getting bigger and bigger I wanted to make it street legal and go fast, but that is a dream, still a chance.
I tried looking for over drive box or running a T-case backward no luck.
Then I wanted a codriver, more fun to have a passanger, I'm not always going to be racing. I wanted a front engine for promod WErock which also needs 2 seater but my frame isn't going to meet the specs anyways.
So my plans changed a bit I ended up with an Ecotec to AX-15 a little larger axles.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showt...ns+buggy+build

I would say build it up KOH is probably way out of your budget right now anyways.
I would just build what you think you will have the most fun in.
I light buggy or a V8 monster.
Rear engine will be nice, a lot easier to design the suspension if you don't do rear steer.


There is some other good combos. Like get a 60º V6 just search google, powerful and pretty light. then get a 904 from a 4cly YJ, build a rear engine buggy with a 231, rear engine with a 231 will give you front digs.
there isn't much for a all aluminum 4cly that will bolt up to a tranny with a T-case.

Good luck, Let use know what other Ideas you come up with. Nice to bounce off Ideas.
~Justin

[Zullock Holmes]

soooo many buggies

[SupermanIce-J]

http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=960071

Although not "mini" mini... it is small. and this is brewing a lot of ideas in my head.

I love big trucks and stuff but something about a small little buggy that can fit in tight spaces seems fucking awesome to me. ANDDDDDD NO HOMO!!

[SupermanIce-J]

My rendition of a sami/tracker/sidekick buggy

toy axles and 37's were the plan for thisun'... maybe a 22re or ret???

Or just hop up the 1.6

[Hydra]

Tell you what, after helping my dad do all the research I found the 1.6 to be the best and simplest, you can get all the adapters to run drivekine from whatever.

Id build a tracker buggy, the engine is already what you want (sammis come with the gutless 1.3) and it has acentered rear output on the tcase, where's as the sammis are offset.

But... all said samurais are sick, I've got a set of toy axles waiting for.when I find one to buggy out

[customcreationsllc]

What automatic bolt up to the 1.6L motor?
Will a 904 bolt up?

Trying to plan a buggy for a friend looking for a small light 4cly auto 4x4.
Rear engine single seater so I can use little axle.
Be extremely light and pretty dam cheap.

If I could build a full out mini race buggy for 5Gs now who is interested?

[SupermanIce-J]

If I could build a full out mini race buggy for 5Gs now who is interested?

This was my plan. Race the Rcrocs and line mtn's. maybe compete in the crawling?