To those who believe in Conspiracys

[ninetysix-ex-jay]

You honestly think that America would kill their own civilians?

[Nick]

I think that people who believe conspiracy theories are simply just trying to label themselves as some sort of pseudo-intellectual independent thinkers.

[ninetysix-ex-jay]

Seriously, way to cheapen the death of all the Americans killed that day and all the soldiers who died defending what happened.


If you really think that the U.S. government would do that its time to get out of your shell and go to a country whose government really doesn't care about the people. See how that makes you feel, and I'm not talking about turning on CNN.

[ninetysix-ex-jay]

Seriously, way to cheapen the death of all the Americans killed that day and all the soldiers who died defending what happened.


If you really think that the U.S. government would do that its time to get out of your shell and go to a country whose government really doesn't care about the people. See how that makes you feel, and I'm not talking about turning on CNN.

[grundlepunch]

I think that people who believe conspiracy theories are simply just trying to label themselves as some sort of pseudo-intellectual independent thinkers.

agreed, but it is always good to challenge the information that is given to us (the masses) and try to find facts for ourselves. But unfortunately most of these theories are so far fetched and use scare tactics and "buzz words" to gain attention.
for example Jesse ventura has a show (oddly enough) called conspiracy theory... they did an episode on my place of work and it was absolutely ludicrous.

[Carlleen]

I will withdrawal myself from SIS if any of you guys are seriously, even for a second, going begin to believe these "conspiracies". By doing so you are kicking me in the nuts. I know of a few mothers and fathers that would love for you to explain how their sons died because the government decided to pull the ultimate punk on the country. I love how people will give their first born before they admit that a majority of the world hates us, and would love nothing more than to see the United States burn. Talk about Area 51 all you want but leave 9/11 alone. I am Sorry to sound like "That Guy", but the notion that the United States planned 9/11 makes me furious. Thousands of American civilian and military lives lost, 2 wars, Economy in the shitter. Please. Go live in Somolia.

[Hydra]

You honestly think that America would kill their own civilians?

Yes, if it came to keeping the people of upper echelon society well fed and their bank accounts filled.

And if United States doesn't mind sending a soldier, in whom they've invested all that time and money to train and ship out to br killed in combat, some civilians could easily be overlooked

Im neither basing this on any theory nor am I attempting to appear the part of a trendy free thinker, I am just approaching this from my own equally ethno- and poli-centric view of the world

[Carlleen]

Its bush's fault.

Bin laden is a robot built by DARPA.

US govt went to Iraq and The Stan and told them the troops are coming. Be sure to blow them up

Thats why we gave them all the weapons in the first place.

Bush is satan and made Katrina happen

kanye west is a good guy.

Republicans hate Obama because he is black.

Iraq is just a peacefull place that we invaded for no reason.

I am shaking with rage.

[Vehicleless]

Well I will ask why did we invade Iraq? WMD? I do not think that we invaded to finish what Sr started though.

[HeavyMetal]

Well I will ask why did we invade Iraq? WMD? I do not think that we invaded to finish what Sr started though.

Anyone not interested in intelligent discussion, fast forward past my post.

i think a lot of people look at it this way, how there were "no" "wmds" so we are wrong in our actions.

Truths: You and I dont know what WMDs there were. WMD is such a general-use "buzz word" to label any number of weapons available. MANY THINGS can be a WMD. Maybe there were some, maybe there werent. Maybe that was the reason for invasion, maybe it wasnt. There are plenty "reports" out there that go one way or the other. Saddam Hussein HAD WMDs, that is not up for debate...it was basic fact. Little known fact: just because the intel was wrong (if it even was) doesnt mean the circumstances were made up as a conspiracy. Have you (you in general) ever made a mistake? Take that mistake, put it under a microscope in front of 6 billion people. This is United States foreign policy on a daily basis, and why a lot of it is kept secret.

What I do believe is something a lot of people either have trouble accepting, or do not want to accept. The world is a very harsh place, and survival of the fittest applies these days just as much as it did at the dawn of time with sticks, rocks, and bows. The United States, does what it needs to do, whether it be at the wishes of its people or not, to stay secure in their place on the top. It may not always be rainbows and butterflies, it may also not always be "noble", however I do believe the United States is good, and does its best (with great success) to be noble and good, in most cases.
No one got to power or to the top without making enemies. That isnt to say all in power are evil, but certainly they have taken the reigns and done what is necessary. There is a difference between people like Hitler in power, and people like the US Govt. Anyone who cannot recognize that distinction, IMO, is plainly an idiot or a fool. Take what I said before and try your best to apply it to War lords, dictators,and so on, but really you are ignoring the dividing line that exists in common sense.

Do I believe the United States orchestrated 9/11? Not a snowflakes chance in Hell.
Do I believe we invaded Iraq for (again, a super stupid buzzword with no real meaning) "WMDs" ? I am not sure, though I do believe that was at the very least a driving factor. What I AM sure of is, we didnt invade Iraq for shits and giggles, or to make george bush or whatever other "fall guy" rich. Washington isnt run by evil robots, these people are human beings. There arent 1 or 2 washington robots making the calls. There is an entire assortment of human beings, just like you and I, being part of the decision process. This country did not arrange jet liners full of civilians to crash into our own major landmark city, felling two of our most recognizable landmark buildings, killing thousands of our own in the process, and changing the world as we know it for a long time, in an attempt to make money, only to risk and destroy the lives of countless of our Marines and soldiers overseas in a resulting war, which in turn cost billions and billions. Think about it.

I think it boils down to: the people who complain, bitch, and moan about "wars for oil" still get in their car every day, and are a part of modern life driven by fossil fuels, and general live a life of leisure compared to those without those things...yet the very conflicts they complain of, secure them these resources to stay on top and maintain their way of life.

Is a "war for oil" morally sound? Maybe not. Is it absolutely necessary for the United States to maintain itself in the present day, you betcha. Use "war for oil" as a basis for any of these arguments.

[Nick]

agreed, but it is always good to challenge the information that is given to us (the masses) and try to find facts for ourselves.

Totally. I think its essential for people to go out and really make an attempt to understand what is happening in their world, and become well-informed not just by news, but their own research too.

Yes, if it came to keeping the people of upper echelon society well fed and their bank accounts filled.

I don't know why this has become the standard argument for people that disagree with whatever the government has done, is doing, or will do in the future. What individual financially benefited from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?

And if United States doesn't mind sending a soldier, in whom they've invested all that time and money to train and ship out to br killed in combat, some civilians could easily be overlooked

I'm pretty sure the government minds when one of the soldiers gets killed, but the reason they invest all that time and money into the military is that they're trying to give our forces the best chance to survive and succeed in their mission.

And to claim that the government would kill 3000 innocent US citizens just to have the ability to spend incredible amounts of money fighting a war, without any real direct benefit to the US, in which thousands more soldiers died is insane.

[Vehicleless]

Looking back we can see lots of our mistakes. We can always look back and see things that have happened and wish that they happened a certain way.
What if in early 2001 if george bush had taken the memo about bin laden super serious, what if we had nuked the oil spill in the Gulf, what if we had not given Bin Laden the weapons in the 80s, what if John McCain had not picked sarah Palin as a running mate, what if Barac Obama had not made the 2004 speech at the DNC?

[HeavyMetal]

Looking back we can see lots of our mistakes. We can always look back and see things that have happened and wish that they happened a certain way.
What if in early 2001 if george bush had taken the memo about bin laden super serious, what if we had nuked the oil spill in the Gulf, what if we had not given Bin Laden the weapons in the 80s, what if John McCain had not picked sarah Palin as a running mate, what if Barac Obama had not made the 2004 speech at the DNC?

What if Osama was under Dizzys jeep when he rolled it?

[grundlepunch]

I think a lot goes on "behind the curtain" that the general public can not be told. Not because it is evil, but because the average person just doesnt need to know everything, or cant put everything in to perspective.... so a "consolidated truth" comes out.

It happens at a much smaller scale in most branches of the gov.

[Vehicleless]

And to claim that the government would kill 3000 innocent US citizens just to have the ability to spend incredible amounts of money fighting a war, without any real direct benefit to the US, in which thousands more soldiers died is insane.

I am not arguing for, but i think people that assume that also think the "gov" had a plan and it went cluster fuck wrong